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    Why so few members and so many guests?

    Today I log on and find that there are 159 users of the site, 2 members and 157 guests. I find this odd. Why so few registered members and why do so many people visit the site but do not wish to register as a member?

    All the code given in this post has been tested and is intended to address the question asked.
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    This has always been like that. People are most likely searching for information on the internet and come across solutions on this forum which means they are visiting but don’t need to become a member.

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    Hi there Philip M,

    over the last few days, this may be the cause...

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    The certificate is not trusted because it is self-signed.
    
    HTTP Strict Transport Security: false
    HTTP Public Key Pinning: false
    
    Certificate chain:
    
    -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
    MIIDMDCCAhigAwIBAgIJAIujTOundvYVMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMC0xKzApBgNV
    BAMMInNuaS1zdXBwb3J0LXJlcXVpcmVkLWZvci12YWxpZC1zc2wwHhcNMTgwNzIz
    MTIyMTE0WhcNMjgwNzIwMTIyMTE0WjAtMSswKQYDVQQDDCJzbmktc3VwcG9ydC1y
    ZXF1aXJlZC1mb3ItdmFsaWQtc3NsMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIB
    CgKCAQEAtVQF5JeWr014KVnrApJ4fz3sBgusFr/YEHMJgIbmxhOD3Lf1PVeFgSGa
    tBppRP4or3exY5zuXZF8MaprE2psSV7NVrs5uHC418qcwiCg+W0Bpj8bNHpoCb1f
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    reyNuSZsctVlxuQdfGkU4hPPoIAgXpL07o/ADwGU/3KezAqFwINgx5104JpS1CLW
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    QboBlT0/8pOjAphA9eT9GtKioEF9KBUnTEOxPsemA0UC19OV5uewtJ9OjMEMEwvh
    MOV8Ag==
    -----END CERTIFICATE-----

    ...which gives similar results, to the attached image, in my test browsers.

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    Hi guys,

    I just wanted to chime in here:

    We had an issue with the automatic renewal of the domain name recently, which resulted in some site downtime (and likely failure to receive some support emails).

    This, in turn, affected the number of members/users online in the past couple of days.

    The issue has since been resolved, and we apologize for any inconvenience.

    Otherwise, what Stephan said earlier in this thread is generally true.

    Thank you for contributing to the CF community!

    Over and out.
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    Was bad here since it was redirecting to a "this domain is for sale" page, that seconds later would try to open five malware sites sending ABP, Ghostery, and Kaspersky into total a total conniption fit.

    If that was the default fallback your name provider does, time to find a new provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathshadow View Post
    Was bad here since it was redirecting to a "this domain is for sale" page, that seconds later would try to open five malware sites sending ABP, Ghostery, and Kaspersky into total a total conniption fit.

    If that was the default fallback your name provider does, time to find a new provider.
    Yes, that was the default, fallback nameserver for an expired domain, which was redirecting CF to some default page.

    The subsequent, multiple redirects after this initial redirect originally had me thinking that we'd been hacked. But, instead, this seems to be the default behavior for our registrar. I agree that it is an odd default behavior.

    I doubt that any of the subsequent redirects were actually "malicious" or "harmful" (per my interpretation of those words). I run Norton Security and Adblock Plus here, and I had no issues. (I.e., Adblock Plus may have blocked some things, but Norton didn't alert me of any security threats.) I can't speak to Ghostery or Kaspersky.

    In any case, this issue shouldn't recur, so I'm not going to worry about it further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chump2877 View Post
    I run Norton Security
    I wouldn't expect malware to detect malware.

    Sorry, but Nortons and McAfee have been coasting on "We pay other companies to bundle our products" and reputations that have been undeserved for three decades for... well, about three decades.

    thirty years ago when DOS was still relevant, Nortons was "da man"... nowadays it's about as security related as browsing the deepweb in 98 with IE6 without a VPN. It is -- like McAfee -- for all intents and purposes malware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathshadow View Post
    I wouldn't expect malware to detect malware.

    Sorry, but Nortons and McAfee have been coasting on "We pay other companies to bundle our products" and reputations that have been undeserved for three decades for... well, about three decades.

    thirty years ago when DOS was still relevant, Nortons was "da man"... nowadays it's about as security related as browsing the deepweb in 98 with IE6 without a VPN. It is -- like McAfee -- for all intents and purposes malware.
    Hi there,

    I'm not going to debate the merits of Norton with you.

    But I'm guessing you haven't used the Norton Security suite recently. It really does a lot for you. I buy it every year to protect all of my devices, and it works great.

    You really can't go wrong with a product made by Symantec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chump2877 View Post
    I'm guessing you haven't used the Norton Security suite recently.
    Only to rip it out of computers that have buckled trying to carry the sheer bulk of it around, only to find it has sunk its tendrils so deep into the host OS that you pretty much have to do a clean install of the OS from scratch to get rid of the SOB. Just like McAfee, just like Symantec. They're a scam to weasel money out of people, and do more harm in stability and the ILLUSION of safety than they are worth, particularly since probably 80% of a windows system instability can be blamed on two things -- crappy drivers, or crappy "Antivirus" that are more delusion than fact.

    Though I'm really hoping the final sentence of your post is a April fools joke. If not, it's truly horrifying to see someone working in IT make such a statement.

    My response to the word "merits" would be akin to John Adams response in the musical 1776 to Dickinsons claim of "benefits" to being part of the British Empire.

    Admittedly, I always get cast as Adams. I'm obnoxious and disliked, you know that sir!
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    Oh, and on topic (my bad) one reason you might see inflated guest numbers is that with the site redirecting to the pop-up hell fallback page of their nameservice provider it could have triggered re-indexing of the sites content by the search engines. vBull inhales upon the proverbial equine of short stature when it comes to not counting spiders as part of the user count. It's actually one of the reasons a LOT of websites have been abandoning it for alternatives like SMF, myBB or Xenforo for over a decade.

    It's just getting a bit too long in the tooth... and like a great many other things online from a underlying code perspective they refuse to extract their cranium from 1997's rectum. Shame because it WASN'T a bad system, it's just starting to age like milk... as evidenced by such outright incompetence as:

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    At the same time I know some site owners who up the time to count people "online" and use vBull -- or edit their configuration settings in other forum softwares -- on purpose to artificially inflate their usercounts. Same reason a lot of spam accounts aren't deleted by certain sites, to make the "registered users" number appear larger than "active users" really is. Using certain "tricks" -- including faulty or ineffective markup -- you can trick spiders into re-crawling the site more than they need to triggering that count. When this happens after a dropout in service the "trick" becomes apparent when you have reports like "1 logged on user, 257 guests". Many "daily active" users will disappear and not come back for weeks (particularly if something like that strange popup redirect gets involved) if at all, meaning the only thing shown are spambots, spiders, and yourself.

    The temporary domain dropout can also mess up cookies and session storage... depending on how sleazy the nameservice provider is, that can get ugly quick. See how Network Solutions used it to gather user passwords by pretending to be a legitimate login some fifteen or so years ago, or the hijack of certain sites under GoDaddy that logged all the cookies from an expired site to their own databases.

    There's a reason GoDaddy has to advertise on TV with T&A, they sure as hell can't promote their garbage on merit.

    Hell, even some ISP's pull that stunt when/if you 404 or have a domain fail to resolve, which is where things like 1.1.1.1 and Google DNS (of all the companies to provide such a thing) become something of a must-have.
    Last edited by deathshadow; Apr 3rd, 2019 at 09:44 PM.
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    Well...Thank you for that voluminous feedback!

    I said I would not debate the merits of Norton Security with you, and I won't. Clearly you have your opinions, and I can respect that. But make no mistake: They are only opinions. Your experience is not everyone's experience.

    Moreover, I think we can safely put the issue with CF's registrar to rest at this point.

    And I believe that the OP has received an adequate response to his inquiry.

    Again, thank you for your insight.
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    FWIIW, I use Malwarebytes and Avast, and have been entirely happy with both of them.

    All the code given in this post has been tested and is intended to address the question asked.
    Unless stated otherwise it is not just a demonstration.

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    For a long time i was also like a guest, and even after registration jusr read the forum like a guest finally logged in)

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    every member just read the thread just like me


 

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