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    OK, chiming in late but here’s what I have to say:

    I’m generally on an off CF all day, checking every now and then in between web development tasks. I’m using Firefox with Adblock Plus and as of late I’m noticing performance lags in Firefox towards the end of the day, with 100% CPU usage every five or so seconds. I don’t know yet, however, whether CF is the problem or some other open tab (if anyone can enlighten me how to see which specific tab is using how many resources I’d appreciate that) or any add-on I’m using (the type and amount of which hasn’t changed in the past year) – that said, most of the tabs I have open are usually unused, i. e. not even activated after starting Firefox. And I don’t leave CF open in a tab all day, I’m closing it or using it for something else after I’m done checking. Additionally, I’m using NoScript so all external scripts (except from ajax.googleapis.com) are blocked, too. I looked into the task manager and see that a freshly started Firefox is using about 700MB of memory which is slowly increasing over the day to around 3GB (which is where it becomes so laggy that it’s annoying).

    As for using Adblock or supporting the site by disabling it: I’m pretty sure there would be no gain for CF or any of their advertisers if I disabled my ad blocker to support the site as I have a natural aversion against anything or anyone that tries to influence or analyze me and my behavior for their benefit, so even if I could see the ads I’d never click any of them (except clicking them away).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangoforce View Post
    We never had any issues like this under WAs ownership.
    Well, there were serious server issues at the end but that’s probably more because WA didn’t have the motivation to take much care of the site anymore. He has been running the site for longer than I’m a member and although he probably didn’t make any serious money it seemed to have worked out financially with the advertising he had (I mean, at least it looked like he didn’t spend more money than he earned); he even had enough to send out like $20 gift cards for especially helpful moderators once a year. But perhaps lack of money was (at least part of) the reason why he sold it, anyway.

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    VIPStephan if you use chrome it has its own task manager so that you can see which tabs are being greedy on resources. If you're on a multicore machine then you might not notice much of a problem but on a single core CF loves to get greedy.

    Firefox is a menace for leaking memory. I noticed it years ago when they first let it out of the stable door but everyone was raging about how brilliant it was etc. SeaMonkey was my browser of choice back then as it was stable, didn't leak and was the developer version of the mozilla suite hence it seemed to get more attention to bug fixes. Sadly that seems to have slipped over the years and now its heading the same way as netscapes navigator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangoforce View Post
    Firefox is a menace for leaking memory. I noticed it years ago
    Firefox was a menace in it's early years -- partly because it leaked memory like a steel sieve (the best kind... of sieve) -- but more because the FLOSS fanboys had such total wood over it you weren't even ALLOWED to badmouth anything about it.

    Even if with only one tab open to Google's home page, you'd have it sitting there chewing on CPU and memory use like this: (actual screencap from the time!)



    That would have been firefox 2.0 doing that -- with the only tab open being Google.

    THEN they had the unmitigated gall to call it a "feature" and not a "leak". Of course in the years since then they've gone over the top convincing people to erase all history of said asshat middle-finger to users because "But it's firefox, you HAVE to love it" that was the mantra with FLOSStards until webkit came along.

    I have Firefox installed because as a developer I have to, not because I want to. I sure as hell would never rely on it as my daily driver -- I'd sooner use Edge!
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    Hey guys,

    Via Pingdom Tools, I have noticed improvement:

    1) Page size and number of requests has decreased significantly
    2) Connection errors have dropped significantly
    3) The requests to porn sites and the crypto currency mining site are gone

    The site is still slow to load, but at least that can be attributed to seemingly valid, "benevolent" advertising.

    Can anyone please confirm?

    @tangoforce, have your issues improved or resolved?

    In general, especially those having issues earlier, your feedback is appreciated.

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    i've barely been online the last couple of days yet alone dared to leave a tab open while the screensaver engages. I will get back to you with further news tomorrow however so far this evening its looking reasonable.

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    It seems better - a lot better!

    Well done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangoforce View Post
    Firefox is a menace for leaking memory.
    OK, I didn’t think it was CF that was causing this but I found out that Adblock Plus is the culprit. Without it (but all other add-ons enabled) Firefox is using about 350MB of memory which goes up to 700-something if I enable ABP. And I suspect as I’m browsing all day and filter rules get triggered this is consuming more and more memory until it starts to seriously affect the performance. I could only find articles addressing this from 2014 but apparently there hasn’t been found a better way around that yet.

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    I don't use any blockers though! Nor do I use CF in FF as it would have killed it. I use chrome and CF was using GBs of ram so i don't really see this as being anything to pin on FF.

    The main problem with the CF cpu / ram usage seems to be sorted now. I suspect it will return again in the future.. but at present the site is now usable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIPStephan View Post
    OK, I didnít think it was CF that was causing this but I found out that Adblock Plus is the culprit. Without it (but all other add-ons enabled) Firefox is using about 350MB of memory which goes up to 700-something if I enable ABP. And I suspect as Iím browsing all day and filter rules get triggered this is consuming more and more memory until it starts to seriously affect the performance. I could only find articles addressing this from 2014 but apparently there hasnít been found a better way around that yet.
    Sorry, but I've got to call BS on that, unless you're... oh, Firefuxxors... Yeah. NO! That a extension for it is leaking memory isn't the extension's fault, it's Firefox's -- as evidenced by NO such issues using ABP on Chrome, Opera, or Vivaldi.

    There's a reason I won't use that bloated memory leaking pile of CRAP as my daily driver. And honestly if you can use this site WITHOUT ABP, I call bull**** on that as well as for me without ABP + Ghostery + Stylish + Scriptsafe this site is a useless broken TRAIN WRECK. You think it's bad with ABP enabled, try using it WITHOUT!

    @tango -- running no blockers at all? "Well there's your problem". I can't understand how anyone can use the current web like that.
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    I have around 20 tabs open at present in chrome with no blockers at all, my single core typically runs at around 20% unless i start watching videos etc.

    I like adverts. It helps me pay my contribution towards a websites upkeep. I've nothing against adverts, I don't get out much or have a great social life so adverts keep me in the loop with respects to new tech, gadgets and other great things. Without them life would be rather bland. I'm not saying i click on every ad but if one does display something that interests me then that advert has paid for itself IMO - even if i don't buy from that source lol.

    Going back to CF, with no ad blockers, the site is now usable. It has vastly improved. MY CPU is now bouncing between 10 - 25%. Thats about right. On the big rig it would barely register as a blip on the cpu charts but i avoid using that these days.


 
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