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Phil Jackson
09-07-2009, 11:42 PM
Hi all, I know my brownie points are going to be slashed in half after this post but...

I was looking for a section for me to put this post in but could not find a relevant forum so im posting it here!

Was wondering what you all thought of my Plug n Play CMS (http://www.actwebdesigns.co.uk/plug-n-play-cms.html). (click on the video)

I've been working on it for nearly 12 months now and have no one to share views with.

Peace out!

09-08-2009, 02:12 AM
should have been posted in the site reviews section of the general forum.

Can a mod move it, please?


09-08-2009, 02:21 AM
1) I can't make the video work ... I tried with IE8 and FF

2) I would be sort of nervous to give you my FTP, not being sure of
how secure everything is on YOUR end of the line. If my site was
large enough, a lot of damage could be done by my FTP getting into
the wrong hands.

09-08-2009, 03:45 AM
I watched the video, but can you quickly summarize the key points of this Plug-n-play CMS so I know what it's all about?

Phil Jackson
09-08-2009, 08:34 AM
Hello. I have tested the site in most browsers and plays fine, must be a problem your end.
As for the FTP details, this was the biggest problem i had to overcome. But to make it efficient the details are needed.

The site will be ran on and data passed over Secure Socket Layers and have been working on my own encryption formula for the past month and all data will be stored and used in this encryption format.

If you didn't get what it does from reading the content and watching the video, the Plug n Play CMS is a CMS that attaches itself onto any existing website. And can be active to use in less than 4 mins.

Add remove tables
Assess Content, Meta Tags and more...
Edit Content, (Text, Images), all tag attributes,
WYSIWYG style element edit,
Converts All sites into XHTML and CSS strict 1.0

The main reasons for attempting to run the CMS as an on-line account form and not download and install is that for 1, the installation is down to me, meaning no pressure on the user to know how to install. And 2, I want to be able to update this CMS constantly in real time depending on what the user wants it to do!

09-08-2009, 09:13 AM
Have you seen CushyCMS (http://www.cushycms.com/) it claims to be powering 30k sites so there's plenty of people who don't mind giving out their ftp details.

I only watched a bit of the video but yours seemed kind of complicated. Maybe you could learn a bit from CushyCMS and find a balance between too complicated and losing functionality.

Phil Jackson
09-08-2009, 09:35 AM
I have seen cushy CMS in action. Problem being, and I have researched, Is that you cant do much with it.

May I ask, what part of it seemed complicated!!?!? All you have to do is sign up, and on the first login it installs itself, that's it! After that it is really straight forward, and simple. I have developed it so it is really simple but powerful for the average user who knows little about web design. I must add, it has not yet been styled, just quickly knocked up a template.

Thanks for your feed back.

09-08-2009, 03:49 PM
if a customer thinks it is hard to use - it is hard to use.

don't forget you have been able to get used to it throughout the build process and your customer hasn't. And, it is built by your brain so you are obviously going to find it simple to use.

There are parts which could be done better. I think though, in principle, it seems like a good idea. Ask yourself, are my non IT-specialist, customers going to know what all this functionality means and what it is for and how to make most use of it. If not, either you need to strip it down for various levels of competence or, provide support and teaching lessons.


Phil Jackson
09-08-2009, 06:55 PM
hmmmm, i was at some point in my long and ambitious life time goin to create and online-real time school... hmmm but, back to my main question, what bit looked complicated???

09-08-2009, 10:39 PM
From what I gathered (and I was able to view the video but there was no audio), the terminology used by your user interface is the same terminology the web developer community (and the code itself) uses. Since your product is going to appeal to someone who knows very little about coding, it's going to be confusing to use terms such as attributes, CSS, elements, doctype, meta tag, etc.

In other words, your CMS is so versatile and close to the coding layer that it will only make sense to someone who is already at the coding layer, and that kind of person is just going to make changes directly to the code rather than bother with some other layer. The non-coder is going to want to be insulated from the specifics of coding and will want something that looks and feels more like MS Powerpoint.

Keep in mind my opinion was formed solely on one viewing of the silent video so I could be wrong about the type of user your product is aimed at.

09-08-2009, 10:41 PM
Was that video silent? Oh god, I thought I'd just broken my speakers.

Phil Jackson
09-09-2009, 01:18 PM
I knew i shouldn't have chucked that microphone in the bin.. BUT I do understand where you are coming from.

BUT, is it a "chuck half the code in the bin" :-( or "huge restyle and content edit" ?

09-09-2009, 03:45 PM
I couldn't quite put my finger on this deal until I read Fumigator's post.
That's it ... it seems too technical for someone that doesn't know anything about coding.

I would expect more of a 2 step thing:
1) Sign up for an account
2) Start editing

No mention of technical terms or comparisons to other WYSIWYG editors.
The demographics will be people that don't know what those mean.

And Nancy's comment about CushyCMS is correct ... they do have a lot of customers,
but that is the same as what Fumigator says. They don't really know what giving
someone else their FTP account info means. 99% of the time, there is not problem
with giving FTP control to someone else. For those of us in the business, it's that
1% that makes us wary.

I think the concept is great, but only mention the details the user needs to know.
The "user", being someone who doesn't know what an attribute is.

Phil Jackson
09-09-2009, 07:31 PM
All what is said is true. Personally, i'm pretty darn proud of whats been achieved in 12 months but I think I do need to "dumb it down" a bit. Theres always a new level of whats been achieved, and I think I've got it over cushyCMS but it obviously needs a lot more work as no real positive feedback has been returned. We'll see what pops into my head next. :-)

09-09-2009, 09:03 PM
All what is said is true. Personally, i'm pretty darn proud of whats been achieved in 12 months but I think I do need to "dumb it down" a bit. Theres always a new level of whats been achieved, and I think I've got it over cushyCMS but it obviously needs a lot more work as no real positive feedback has been returned. We'll see what pops into my head next. :-)

Absolutely, no question you should be damned proud. I'm quite impressed myself! :thumbsup:

Phil Jackson
09-11-2009, 09:39 AM
I'll put a tick on the "positive feedback" side lol.