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Tails
Feb 5th, 2003, 09:22 PM
Are there browsers that support CSS2? I see all the talk on w3.org but it seems to be all a myth.

jkd
Feb 6th, 2003, 12:34 AM
Mozilla (Netscape 6, Netscape 7, Phoenix, K-meleon, Galeon, Beonex, Chimera, etc)

Opera (5 and up)

Konqueror (Safari)

IE5/Mac


In reality, it is only IE6/Win that doesn't do a good job of supporting it.

meow
Feb 6th, 2003, 12:49 AM
It's not like IEWin doesn't support ANY of it even if its support is limited.

This is an interesting comparison.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/css2tests/

Tails
Feb 6th, 2003, 09:06 PM
So IE doesn't support it? Do you think it will anytime soon? I won't start using it if I can't test what I write. And also, I would not even bother until I am able to update my IE and have known that the most commonly used IE (new and fairly old in the future) supports it since I favor IE users on my site and don't bother with NetScape's DOM. My site stats show that a very small percentage
of visitors use NS (smaller than AOL). http://XFox_Prower.tripod.com

brothercake
Feb 6th, 2003, 09:33 PM
Well ... it cuts both ways :

jkd is, in one respect, absolutely right - win IE's CSS 2 implemention is severely broken; particularly sad is the lack of > selectors, but that's merely one of a catalogue of examples :rolleyes:

On the other hand, since most people use IE it makes sense to code with IE as your primary audience. If visual discrepancies are inevitable, most people err towards IE rather than mozilla. It has to be said - while IE may lack standards compliance, it tramps all over mozilla in stability and comparative lack of rendering bugs (and it has multimedia filters :)).

It's rather a shame that none of the browser families 'has it all', but it's as it is. Don't let the fact of this put you off using the most modern techniques; simply accept that pixel-perfect consistency is not gonna happen, and that some of the stuff you want to do will only work in a subset of browsers.

Tails
Feb 7th, 2003, 12:11 AM
I'm sure you have a very good point. But I keep hearing about Mozilla but don't know where to get it or know anyone that uses it. In fact, my site stats probably caterorize it as "other". But sometimes the better stuff doesn't get the most popularity. Compare ZIP and RAR formats and you'll see what I mean. I got a 4 mb WAV file compressed to 300 KB in RAR and 3.5 mb in ZIP. What exactly has to be done to get this stuff better known? So where do I find Mozilla? I'll try it.

ahosang
Feb 7th, 2003, 12:36 AM
http://www.mozilla.org
Mozilla is the most DOM-compliant browser, excellent CSS and also a pretty good all-round tool.

Tails
Feb 7th, 2003, 12:45 AM
Ok, but where to I get it?

ahosang
Feb 7th, 2003, 12:57 AM
are you kidding me?? On the right hand side of that web page I just gave you. Or if you must have the actual link , then http://www.mozilla.org/releases/

brothercake
Feb 7th, 2003, 01:02 AM
There's also a number of browsers with the mozilla gecko engine, but a different interface. Phoenix (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/) is a particular favourite of mine

meow
Feb 7th, 2003, 08:25 AM
So IE doesn't support it? Do you think it will anytime soon? I won't start using it if I can't test what I write.
It's not either or. IE does support CSS2 up to a limit.

It totally lacks support for some properies and others are buggy but of course you can use CSS2 in live pages.

Bosko
Feb 7th, 2003, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by brothercake
If visual discrepancies are inevitable, most people err towards IE rather than mozilla. It has to be said - while IE may lack standards compliance, it tramps all over mozilla in stability and comparative lack of rendering bugs (and it has multimedia filters :)).

Since I switched to GNU/Linux (8 months ago),Mozilla has never crashed (and I use alpha and beta versions too).Rendering bugs?Internet Explorer can't even render dotted borders (!),but renders them as dashed.Is that a rendering bug or does IE not even fully support CSS1?

meow
Feb 7th, 2003, 03:29 PM
IE6 renders 1 px dotted boders as dashed.

Tails
Feb 7th, 2003, 09:19 PM
Whoa, I must have missed that post you made or was totally lacking of sleep. *slaps head*. Forgive me.