View Full Version : Honest Critique #2

01-24-2007, 05:50 PM
Hey all, after all the comments and suggestions from my previous design, I've finally had the chance to totally redesign.

Please be honest with everything: colors, markup, attractiveness, professionalism, css, javascript, text readability, etc.

The biggest problem with my last one that Gary (Graft-Creative) pointed out was that you couldn't easily identify what my company did. Also it didn't have contact info easily available. This should now be more apparent also.

On last thing is that CSS should validate, but the pages do not validate as strict XHTML 1.0. Both pages have exactly four errors, and that is because of the javascript required for the menu system. They use onMouseOver and onMouseOut. Are there any ways to get around using this for the type of menu system I'm using, or am I just going to have to deal with always having those four errors?

The two links are:


On the index page, you can navigate to the simulation page. You have to hover on Services and then choose the submenu link called Simulation & Training.

Thanks for any who can help!


01-24-2007, 06:01 PM
the pages do not validate as strict XHTML 1.0.

That is because you are using capital letters. According to XHTML specifications every element & attribute must be written in lower case. Use onmouseover and onmousout and it'll validate.

01-25-2007, 02:16 AM
The big blue block at the top needs to be removed.

01-25-2007, 04:50 AM
The main navigation with the white font on the blue/white background just seems off to me. Like maybe try making the font bold, that might be a little easier to read.

Karen S. Garvin
01-25-2007, 03:14 PM
Yes, I think a bold font would work better. Maybe change the bar to a solid blue, too. I think the gridwork here is a bit disconcerting to read over top of, but keep it in the grey bar.

01-25-2007, 05:18 PM
@Stephan: Doh! I don't know how I missed over that. I saw the error and just automatically assumed that those commands were invalid with XHTML (sort of like the onload command on the body tag). I changed them and they validate. Whew!

@phpnewb: That blue block at the top tells what my company does. If I remove that, then I need somewhere else to express what they do. Some kind of headline.

@oracleguy and Karen: Yeah, I definitely agree there. I had actually bolded the text at one point, but then I didn't like how the font looked in IE7 with ClearType. It looks great just regular but not with any other browser, but with it bold, it looks better in other browsers, but not IE7. I was either thinking of removing the grid or making it more transparent. I'll try both of them. I just don't want it so plain and basic. I'm afraid I'll compromise the "somewhat" non-beginner-like look which I've tried so hard to get rid of since I'm quite horrible with grapics and designing :(

Thanks all for the comments and suggestions. Please keep them coming.

Gary, where are you? lol I need your creative and professional input!

*EDIT: I toned down the gridlines on the top bar and menu bar from 25% to 10%. Looks a lot better I think.


01-25-2007, 06:07 PM
*EDIT: I toned down the gridlines on the top bar and menu bar from 25% to 10%. Looks a lot better I think.

Yeah, that looks better.

01-31-2007, 08:25 PM
Does anyone else have any other input before I attempt to present this as a viable replacement for my company's current website? (current = http://www.espinc1.com/main.html)

02-02-2007, 07:18 PM
The background image reminds me of my high school Physics homework, that's just my personal opinion. It looks fine to me, i can read the navigation easily. Yes you can have it up but if you can spend a little more time or effort if you want: and make the header more interesting.

02-04-2007, 12:36 AM
its a good start and with some work could be a very nice website, the validation errors can be easily changed and i think a litle better use of padding on ur elements will give a bit more of a relaxed feel.

Karen S. Garvin
02-05-2007, 06:17 PM

The background image reminds me of my high school Physics homework

I think it's supposed to. :)

brother wolf
02-06-2007, 12:53 AM
I am just an amateur so take the following with a grain of salt. Home page looks nice.

Simulation and Training page: I think that scrolling news area is pretty annoying. Not sure I like the navigation at the top much but I would have to see it actually functioning. I would probably try to make that header area a little shorter. The main content area could use a little more padding imo.

Over all it looks pretty nice though.

02-15-2007, 10:29 PM
Thanks for all the comments. It definitely needs some touching up here and there. I agree with the padding in the main content area and definitely working on the header a bit to make it more appealing.

As for the news scroller, I definitely agree it's annoying, but that's a request from the CEO/President, so no taking that out. I have to have a news/awards scroller somewhere on the site.