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    Yahoo's new homepage goes CSS

    I just noticed that Yahoo's new (beta) homepage essentially uses CSS for styling. It's definitely interesting. Very messy pile of JavaScript within the source though. Here's a screenshot I took in case you can't switch to the new layout on Yahoo:



    Makes me want to go and see what I can clean up source code wide on JavaScript Kit.
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    How do you change style?

    As for JavaScript kit... It's OK... Better than the old Yahoo

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    There's a link near the top of Yahoo that asks you to experience the new beta Yahoo. Clicking on that link will do it...
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    Strange, I don't see anything of that sort...

    Screenshot at http://geoffers.uni.cc/yahoo.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Error 404
    Strange, I don't see anything of that sort...

    Screenshot at http://geoffers.uni.cc/yahoo.jpg
    Error 404: Try out http://www.yahoo.com/beta


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    We would love for you to participate in the Front Page beta.

    At this time, we do not have the new page programmed for your specific browser. We are working to have the page available to your browser in the coming week.

    Please bookmark this page and check back next week to start using the new Yahoo! Front Page.
    Wow! Most Mac friendly website ever... now... let's get Safari to lie about what browser I am using...

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    OK, saying Safari was MSIE 6win got me in... But I don't like there coding style... Dunno why...

    As for validating... 233 errors... 2 of them critical... The validator isn't finding the DOCTYPE or charactor encoding... If you tell the validator to use the HTML 4.01 Strict DOCTYPE (which the validator isn't finding) and UTF-8, it get's 410 errors
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    Yeah, it blocks safari users -- but firefox is fine. We've been discussing this over at whitespace, and arguing about some of their code:
    1) Horribly unsemantic -- divitis if you ask me.
    2) Obsessed with classes and id's? Probably would go away if it was semantic and the CSS was coded to utilize that.
    3) Inline styles -- some people are debating that this method might be easier on their servers than having a seperate docuement that needs to be downloaded -- I would think it would ease downloads by cache, but that's arguable.
    4) Incoherent names for the classes and id's - but I agree that may be to save more bandwidth by using a single letter or a couple letters rather than a full name. Again, though, you could cut most of this down by being semantic rather than tons of classes.

    I'm excited to see a big corporate site go tableless and utilize CSS more -- don't get me wrong. But I don't know if they just don't have professionals working there with this knowledge, or they just don't have the time - the political clout - or care. It would be nice to see this one go validated and fully accessible -- it would most likely cut their code down and ease the strain. If I actually have the time, I may just do it for them for fun
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    Don't you have the Debug menu Brady?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WA
    Makes me want to go and see what I can clean up source code wide on JavaScript Kit.
    Rrrright ... so years worth of documented discussions among a forum full of talented and skilled developers hasn't convinced you ... but Yahoo changing their homepage has ...

    Oh to have the luxury of such priorities

    Regarding Yahoo though .. sorry to sound so scathing, but it's rubbish. It's unsemantic tag soup. It may be div soup instead of table soup, but it's still soup, and hardly better than it was before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brothercake
    It's unsemantic tag soup. It may be div soup instead of table soup, but it's still soup, and hardly better than it was before.
    Most of us agree I think the fact that they are going tableless, though, is a good first step. I doubt it's going to be a huge bandwidth saver unless they actually make it semantic and proper -- but the thought is enough to get notice.

    Makes me wonder who they have employed at Yahoo, and why they haven't hired the codingforums team
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradyj
    codingforums team
    The question is who. Who is the codingforums team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradyj
    I think the fact that they are going tableless, though, is a good first step. I doubt it's going to be a huge bandwidth saver unless they actually make it semantic and proper -- but the thought is enough to get notice.
    Yeah but is it a good first step, or is it just paying lip service to a trend without trying to understand the reasons behind it? Is it good that this kind of thing gets noticed as an example of big sites moving away from tables, when what they're replacing it with is just as bad?

    I think this will do far more harm than good from an advocacy perspective. What we have here is a shiny new design, made with any old ****ty code; just like the bad old days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Error 404
    The question is who. Who is the codingforums team?
    George Chiang and his band of merry men?
    Edit: Of whom I hope there is no demand for dressing in green tights...



    I have to join in with James on the tables/div-id-classitis/semantic code issue. A nonsemantic CSS powered design is no better than a nonsemantic table powered design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liorean
    George Chiang and his band of merry men?
    Edit: Of whom I hope there is no demand for dressing in green tights...
    Please, David, don't remind me of the school play where I had to where tights... Luckily, they didn't fit

    Back to my point, which of the George Chiang men...
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