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    The time has come my friends... the review is upon me

    Hello all my pretties!

    after a summer of feverish question-asking and code-debunking by the good people on this forum, it looks like my site is 95% done. the 5% left are either projects for another time or little tidbits of loose ends that are in the process of being tied up with the help of people in the javascript forum. these include
    • preventing multiple form submissions when users double click the "Submit" button
    • Showing a message only to the users with JS disabled indicating that they need it enabled


    So now it is time to release my baby to the hounds! heh, however i do have some fine print before you guys tear it apart

    this site is being used mainly by users over 40 years old who, if informed of the existence of an entity called Firefox or Mozilla, would probably tell you to get a fire-extinguisher to help said fox, and that new movies should not be based on old classics.

    point being, the clientel will not be computer savy and will be using internet explorer, or at a stretch, netscape. i know you think its unfair to assume my clientel will be on one browser... but the reality is the about a quarter of these people dont even have e-mail addresses. the clientel are plant managers and paper-pushing engineers with very little computer experience. please keep this in mind when evaluating.

    this site is used to show what products are avaliable through enviromark, and to get people to a)get / print info, and b) submit a quote request.

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    Exclamation Link??

    HAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!

    nice one noob

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    In all fairness, he did provide a hint: enviromark

    this site is used to show what products are avaliable through enviromark
    .....Willy

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    wow, i'm awesome

    www.enviromark.ca

    woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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    hehe willy, tis' true.

    Willy knows the page well, he helped me with a ton of the page functionality. and for that i publically thank him (and others like lemming as well )

    so, anyone, anything? any ideas as to how to improve it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by canadianjameson
    point being, the clientel will not be computer savy and will be using internet explorer, or at a stretch, netscape...

    ...the clientel are plant managers and paper-pushing engineers with very little computer experience. please keep this in mind when evaluating.
    I like the basic layout, and the functionality on the product search is nice. The navigation is a good concept but it's not especially user friendly. When a particular page loads the corresponding image reinforces where the user is in the site. But when mousing over and then off the box images, the menu doesn't give any context which page you're viewing. Same thing happens if you keep your mouse in the same place when loading a new page, mouse off the box images and you lose the context.

    Altering the associated javascript to display the image for the current page when mousing off the menu would be a good start. Otherwise you'll be entering the world of mystery meat navigation. A secondary navigation would be even better, maybe a breadcrumb trail or a <select> drop down.

    The content pages themselves are laid out well and easy enough to understand, but a little bare. Some more pics perhaps. Is the header supposed to be empty? Even if the site targets specific clientele, they need a reason to go deeper into the site. Some links from the mission statement to the mentioned products might be a good way to draw visitors in deeper. The navigation not's helping though in my opinion.
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    regarding the navigation.

    perhaps it's too subtle, but the name of the link you click on is the name of the page (not the title)... but most people miss it

    i think i'll have the little blue rectangle change color when people click on it so they know where they are. with respect to the 6 links
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    this site is being used mainly by users over 40 years old who, if informed of the existence of an entity called Firefox or Mozilla, would probably tell you to get a fire-extinguisher to help said fox, and that new movies should not be based on old classics.

    First, I'll be 46 in January. Nevertheless...


    By my count, you have over 100k of images on the "splash/entrance" page, the top image alone is nearly 60k, and of poor quality to boot. Perhaps, you've heard it said, "just because you can, doesn't mean that you should." I recommend ditching the rollovers altogether. In fact, simple text links would do. Then recompress the main image or, again, use text. You are using graphics of text...why?


    As already stated, the navigation is poor at best. No one should have to mouse over a link to find out where it leads.

    The overall design is bland, yes, even to someone 40+. Add some window dressing: color, bullets, images, depth, and contrasting elements.


    Good luck.





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    Takes too long for the images to load on 56k. Didn't realise the splash page had two entrances, just clicked around the enter box till I got somewhere. The navigation on the main site isn't very userfriendly either. Most people who aren't internet savvy wouldn't even think to mouseover those boxes. They'd be used to normal underlined text links or buttons with words on them. Nice design though

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    Glad you took my joke the right way canadianbacon
    We've got some problems though man....

    *Standard Note of Caution: If my reviews sound harsh I'm sorry. I rarely have time to go into detail about both what I do and don't like. Saying what I don't like is more constructive. Understandee? Thought so

    1. Splash Page!!! Nooo. Think of the children! The poor children on their little dial-up boxes waiting patiently by the glow of their CRT's to see your content; only to be greeted by 100k of text as images - truly Santa forgot them this year. What I'm really saying is this - dump the splash page all together, open the site in whatever language the client feels represents the majority of their user base and provide the second language as an easily accessed alternative. An example of this is http://dafont.com/

    2. The code - Come on mate, you've been here long enough to know what this paragraph is all about
    34 minor errors, and incomplete doctype, no characterset declared, and the language isn't declared either.

    3. Navigation - Serious 'mystery meat'. Text rocks. Use it please.

    4. Branding? Does this company have a logo? why isn't their name in the page banner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mindlessLemming
    Think of the children!
    Us 12 year olds don't understand splash pages... even on 512K

    Quote Originally Posted by mindlessLemming
    *Standard Note of Caution: If my reviews sound harsh I'm sorry. I rarely have time to go into detail about both what I do and don't like. Saying what I don't like is more constructive. Understandee? Thought so
    Like Comic Sans MS - there's something you hate.

    Andrew, I've put "Comic Sans MS" in Comic Sans MS, that's why the is there... seeming you don't see the font
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    I have to disagree about the splash page... although usually I'm not a fan of splash pages I'm not a fan of dafont.com's method, either. I do agree though, that if you're going to use one you should use text instead of pictures of text, just to keep the load time down.

    Nightfire had a point, too, about not making the choices in the splash page clear. Also, for some reason I don't get the hand cursor when trying to select the "English" option (I actually thought it was broken and tried the French version first). I would throw in a nice logo, a static language choice, and then clean up the nav in the site.

    Other than that, I love the clean layout and overall feel...

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    k, lemme fix the splash screen & navigation over the next day or so (i'm sick right now so bleh) and i'll re-open the thread to comments afterwards.

    thx for the feedback
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    Ooh, I love the bluish image at the top! What did you use and how did you make it? That is my worst part.... images.... I try but I can't make a good image.
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    Not too bad for a 15 year old

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    gotta love free templates :P

    there are a ton of tutorials for photoshop on how to do those... just goodle "photoshop tutorial"

    nice site, but you're getting a JS error
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