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    racing transmission site

    Hi,

    new site. need checks on load times for links, graphic balance, resizing
    and general comments. please don't comment on use of frames or source
    code.

    http://www.racetran.com

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    since short post. short reply. load time fast DSL. graphics poor. still shift in menu. like when you posted while back. bad design. bad color choice. poor photoshop. bad elements. look cheap. too much arial font. cheap arial compacting. dealers on left and right cut off on 1024x1280 until resize. won't post about improper frame usage. won't post about improper code. would not revisit.
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    Whoever made you a cf advisor should rethink their action. You seem to think
    you're God's gift to design, and your comments are taken in context that you
    are a rank amateur.

    As a former Senior Member of Website Abstraction, I can remember when
    members were helpful--offering constructive criticism and positive
    suggestions. If you would like to post some samples of your "professional"
    work, everyone can view what we should all be shooting for.

    This particular client was limited to a low budget, providing the photos
    and some brief product specs. He is very pleased with the outcome and
    that's what counts! Also, the bottom line is that I'm making money while
    you seem to be spending most of your time in this forum.

    P.S. The menu shift does not occur in NS3.0+, IE5.0+ or Opera 4.0+ (I could
    care less about any other obscure browser).

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    I think bradyj is just trying to make a point that if you want a serious response, you should take the time to write in full sentences. He also made some valid points about some elements of your website that could use improvement. You say the client is happy, but if the client is who you care about, why post to have it reviewed here? And you need to realize that Mozilla is not "just another obscure browser," it's the #1 open source browser in existence.
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    I am curious, as to your reasoning behind using flash for the body on all the pages; was it a requirement of the client?
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    Sorry about bradyj's critique bpaulsen2000. I agree it could have been worded a lot more politely and sensitively.
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    Hi Oracleguy,

    Without going into a ton of explanation, we're "standardizing" our
    development efforts to achieve "liquid design" for different available
    window sizes and screen resolutions. The client just wanted a web
    site with an email address so his potential customers had a place to
    go. If the budget were larger, I'd dynamically load the photos based
    on size criteria to avoid distortion.

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    Hi George,

    I probably overreacted to his comments, but feel a person should offer up
    some different ways to approach a design consideration rather than just
    lambasting it. For example, if someone thinks the color scheme is wrong,
    then they should suggest some other scheme and provide the hex codes.

    BTW, good to see the forum is going strong over the years.

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    Hi Matt,

    I believe our menu operation works under Mozilla, as well. If it doesn't,
    I would like to know about it. I'm using a commercial JS menu generator
    called Popup and as a beta tester I can get the author to pay attention
    to problems with major browsers.

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    Id like to agree with bradyj (kind of), although I do agree it wasnt the nicest way to word it..

    (Oh, bradyj is a professional graphics designer as far as I am aware so dont go there )

    Im not saying that I am the most amazing designer ever, but the site could really do with being cleaned up or maybe redone... The main thing is to get rid of the flash where it is really not needed, and then get rid of the frames (I know you didnt ask for critique on frames and code but i think the frames are ruining your chances of a good design)

    Also, maybe pick some softer colours as the current ones stand out way too much and would probably tire the eyes after a while.

    Matt

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    No, It's my fault, I apologize bpaulsen2000 -- I got a little irate by the short post and I should not have done it that way. Please accept my apologies, I'll be sure to not to do it in the future. Of all the posts I've ever done, it definately wasn't very tactful here, and I won't make the mistake again. Hopefully no hard feelings

    And, as missing-score said, I'm actually a Creative Director -- I run a team of designers for print and web full-time and do freelance on the side.

    Ok, then obscure browsers aside (the menu shifts in Opera, Mozilla, and Safari, all recent versions) it flies in IE. I still have the problem where the flash animation on a 1280x1240 cuts off the left and right dealer names -- this may be limited to my computers here. The center flash font is a little off -- I don't care for the arial compact, it may be best to use something like Impact to create the same effect. As for the top bar, I don't mind the red/gray/black scheme so much as the lines that run through it. It makes it overly complex. It also feels a little off structured from the top and the flash, that may be from the black space in between it. To me it feels visually jumbled, but not in a positive way -- I lose attention in the centered structure.

    ...and, I can't say it enough. I apologize for being an @#$ That being said, I'm no David Carson, and I'm aware I'm not perfect as a designer as well.
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    (OT):

    oh cool, im mindlessLemming now

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    Quote Originally Posted by missing-score
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    oh cool, im mindlessLemming now
    HA! I've gotta habit of typing him now That's two apologies in one day! Sorry, I'll adjust missing-score
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    lol no worries man

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    Hi BradyJ,

    Actually, you've spotted a design flaw, in that the menu bar should be in
    Flash as well as the body content. I design for the lowest common
    denominator of 800 X 600 and let the vector graphics expand when
    higher resolutions are used. In this case the DHTML portion is shrinking and
    therefore causing the content portion to become wider.

    In reference to the color scheme--the colors are actually quite subdued
    when compared to other racing equipment sites. If you have some hex
    codes to try, please post them.

    In reference to frames usage, the navigation bar is a prototype of an
    "automotive browser" which is dynamically fed parameters for generating
    80,000 websites for every car dealer in the country through the Vehicle411
    network. The technical design goal is to create an "interactive television"
    approach, as opposed to traditional "magazine" web styles. The intros
    are meant to mimic broadcast television ads (within the constraints of
    connection speeds, availability of Flash players clientside and relatively
    decent pc power). The design philosophy has been pretty much "form
    follows functionality".

    I'm no great fan of any particular font style but usually adhere to the
    Arial/Verdana standard approach to insure that the user can display any
    text, whether it be HTML or Flash.

    If anyone, with graphics experience, can realistically offer better design
    solutions (in the future), please feel free to contact me through the forum
    about collabarating on projects. I can simply add in consultancy fees
    when budgets allow it.


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