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    Review http://www.HelpMakeMyDecision.com

    Can you guys review http://www.HelpMakeMyDecision.com ? I think its a new take on those advice forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwolf2323
    I think its a new take on those advice forums.
    Is that a really bad attempt at a subtle marketing ploy for me to visit your site by acting as if you're a peer and interested in a peer to peer opinion - being one of us and you didn't design it?

    Or did you design it or work for it and want my advice?
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    Its not a marketing plee. Just because I said that its a new kind of advice site doesn't mean that im trying to advertise to everyone. Of course I want people to start going to it but I also would like some reviews on the functionality and overall design when it comes to the point of the site. Why else would I post it in a site review forum?

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    I was just teasing it sounded a lot like some of the marketing spam I get is all.

    As for the site, well, the code is poor -- very old, doesn't validate, still uses font tags, no doctype and pages like:
    http://www.helpmakemydecision.com/Help.asp

    Are missing TONS of tags (head, body closing, HTML tags?!?) -- this will render poorly in many browsers. There's a lot of work that needs to go into this still.

    The design, in my opinion, is weak. The logo looks like it wasn't done out of a professional program, which is the cause of it's scattering of pixels. The typography is bland... all in all there's really not much too it. I'm a strong supporter of minimalist designs, but it doesn't even fit that mold. Users will look at this as a Microsoft word document, and little more. You will have a tough time getting people to stay, and to return.
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    I agree with some of the things you said. I know the design is very weak. I did the site in about 10 hours and wanted to concentrate on the functionality first. What kind of ways can I lay it out better?

    By validation what do you mean? validating the forms? All the forms are being validated. I dont agree when you say people wont come back because the questions are what make this site. Of course a better design will help but without good questions nobody is going to care about the design. For example if you take hotornot.com, that sites design sucks everyone goes there to rate pictures and have there pictures rated. Thats why its one of the most popular entertainment sites online.

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    I think that's considered the most popular enterainment type both for it's juvenile humor (I visisted it) and for it's display of physical content (that was a nice way of saying that hotornot.com has even posted that 2/3rds if not more of it's common users have said to be male). So I don't think that's a viable answer.

    But now a days, for users to play online, they need either enough visual pleasure to catch their attention for the 10 and under seconds they are online, or make it easy for them to follow. Example, if you don't focus on a full redesign, focus on marketing the attention more. Header text to direct their attention, brief paragraph asking why they're here, next paragraph to tell them what to do, and let them do it. All should be small and look pleasant, but not insane.

    http://validator.w3.org/
    This validates HTML code, there is a CSS version if you go to their main site. By validate, I mean using code standards so it's:
    cross browser compatible
    handicap accessible (screen readers and others 13%+ of web audience estimated)
    higher ranked by google
    and easily accessed by palm pilots and handhelds

    Plus it would make your design a lot faster to update if you did it properly formed XHTML and CSS. Here's an example, it's rather old and outdated, so work with me. Here's my site (gonna updated in a week):
    http://www.dotfive.com

    No tables, all xhtml and css. Here's that site with different CSS, but the same XHTML:
    http://www.dotfive.com/indexwhite.php

    I can readjust it a million times over in a quarter of the time.

    Here's a current one I'm doing. http://www.igotyourhouse.com

    All CSS and XHTML, all validates, no tables.

    Now, when I want to change the text or placement or look of something I can do it site wide, but just adjusting one page, my CSS page (for the http:///www.igotyourhouse.com/style.css). If I want to update the content, it doesn't have to affect the whole look, that's elsewhere.

    Think about that. Now, on your site, you'll have to go through every page and update the font tag... and each page to adjust and update the whole look. Time consuming.

    Your site is simple, and that's good -- it would be much easier to do that then the ones I listed. We can talk further of that if you want?

    But these are just suggestions, it's not something of course you have to do. But it may make things easier. However, we can easily adjust the current HTML layout as needed if that's what you'd like?
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    Thanks for the advice I will look into that. I only used syle sheets a little so maybe its about time I learn how to use them. The links are great, I really want to learn how to do stuff like that. Im still pretty new to the whole web programming thing, My main background is in c++. I do alot of web programming now at work so I would like to learn the best ways of doing things. Thanks again for the help.

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    Glad to help

    A good place for free tutorials is:
    http://www.w3schools.org

    And check out the html/css forums, we've got tons of links and goodies in there... and always post if you have a question.
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