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    Suggestions for my home page?

    Looking for design and code suggestion for www.Mooseman-Net.com. Most of my feedback has been either very positive or very negative.

    thanks

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    Get rid of the 'enter' button. Enter buttons died out in the 90's and should stay there. I don't like the site at all, sorry. If I want to go somewhere on a site, I want to go there straight away, not wait for screenslides or popup alerts etc to bore me before I get to where I want to go. Reminds me too much of geocities websites, I was expecting to see some badly made animated gifs to fly around the screen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightfire View Post
    Get rid of the 'enter' button. Enter buttons died out in the 90's and should stay there. I don't like the site at all, sorry. If I want to go somewhere on a site, I want to go there straight away, not wait for screenslides or popup alerts etc to bore me before I get to where I want to go. Reminds me too much of geocities websites, I was expecting to see some badly made animated gifs to fly around the screen
    I was planning to create an HTML5 canvas to 'draw' the logo and remove the whole enter button and opening effects. Once it's done, there will be only loading time from the server between you and the page. I see what you mean about resembling some of the geocities things. I'll be improving it.

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    I am so confused by this site... sorry but i agree 100% with Nightfire... it is hard to navigate or even determine what you do or are trying to do. I think the javascript (if you developed it) is very talented... not my forte, but talent (note i didnt check the code, but there is a lot and it seems to all work like it should)... if you wrote all this congrats... if not i think you went overboard with copy/paste... regardless of which it was have you thought of how much you are putting on the client end? what if they are unfortunate enough to have dial up still? (yeah, it still exists in some places)... I'm on broadband and it's 330am... i lagged bc of all the client side script... just some food for thought... if you are trying to make a gallery of what you've done, i would make a descriptive "link" area where the user fires one js at a time... again though idk really what the aim of the site is

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    Quote Originally Posted by alykins View Post
    I am so confused by this site... sorry but i agree 100% with Nightfire... it is hard to navigate or even determine what you do or are trying to do. I think the javascript (if you developed it) is very talented... not my forte, but talent (note i didnt check the code, but there is a lot and it seems to all work like it should)... if you wrote all this congrats... if not i think you went overboard with copy/paste... regardless of which it was have you thought of how much you are putting on the client end? what if they are unfortunate enough to have dial up still? (yeah, it still exists in some places)... I'm on broadband and it's 330am... i lagged bc of all the client side script... just some food for thought... if you are trying to make a gallery of what you've done, i would make a descriptive "link" area where the user fires one js at a time... again though idk really what the aim of the site is
    Could you please elaborate a bit on why it's confusing? Yes, I did write all the code you see except for the 'OSX style lightbox' and I did some copy/past on the image slider. Maybe changing the center menu to tooltips would help with the lag. My website (without images) is 200k, plus jQuery. I'll try to condense the constant and hover scripts. Thanks.

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    what i mean is what is the site "about"? are you selling the scripts? offing services? telling people about yourself? why is the site there... it seems like you are selling yourself? but are you or are you doing community stuff or are you hosting or ...?
    The Mooseman!!!(tm) Websites Network is a personal, non-commercial project to promote the availability of fun, free, and family-friendly content on the web.
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    We bring: Unique, Exciting, Interesting, Useful, Family-Friendly, and Free content to the web daily.
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    In December 2010 he became inspired to write... and build another website on the Mooseman!!!(tm) Websites Network. Mooseman Ramblings. He continues to design websites, take on new challenges daily, and create more free, fun, and family-friendly content on the web.
    it just seems a little unclear what you are trying to do on the site... and to older users between the blinking and sliding and what not I think you will loose customers or hits... if that's what your after? again I can;t tell... If you are trying to sell your work I would make it less "move-y".... Make a page where clients can pick what js they wanna see fire, one at a time... let them interact... they will be there longer and will not be turned off by all the "unplanned" movement/actions (bc to them it is unplanned/unexpected/etc)
    also don't forget the other part i mentioned...

    ... regardless of which it was have you thought of how much you are putting on the client end? what if they are unfortunate enough to have dial up still? (yeah, it still exists in some places)... I'm on broadband and it's 330am... i lagged bc of all the client side script..
    again... I am not meaning to "slam" your site... if you say you wrote all the js (and you did) kudos out the wazoo; I do not do a whole hell of a lot of js and I am impressed... I am just thinking about performance and customer interactions... also i think i saw in another thread you talking about how the js must be enabled bc your site relies on it for everything... if you made all of this in a separate section so users could demo it at their discretion then that issue would be eliminated (yes they would still have to turn on js, but you would solve two problems at once)

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    Quote Originally Posted by alykins View Post
    what i mean is what is the site "about"? are you selling the scripts? offing services? telling people about yourself? why is the site there... it seems like you are selling yourself? but are you or are you doing community stuff or are you hosting or ...?


    it just seems a little unclear what you are trying to do on the site... and to older users between the blinking and sliding and what not I think you will loose customers or hits... if that's what your after? again I can;t tell... If you are trying to sell your work I would make it less "move-y".... Make a page where clients can pick what js they wanna see fire, one at a time... let them interact... they will be there longer and will not be turned off by all the "unplanned" movement/actions (bc to them it is unplanned/unexpected/etc)
    also don't forget the other part i mentioned...

    again... I am not meaning to "slam" your site... if you say you wrote all the js (and you did) kudos out the wazoo; I do not do a whole hell of a lot of js and I am impressed... I am just thinking about performance and customer interactions... also i think i saw in another thread you talking about how the js must be enabled bc your site relies on it for everything... if you made all of this in a separate section so users could demo it at their discretion then that issue would be eliminated (yes they would still have to turn on js, but you would solve two problems at once)
    From another page on my site:
    The Mooseman!!!(tm) Websites Network is a personal, non-commercial project to promote the availability of fun, free, and family-friendly content on the web.
    This site is really to bring together the other sites (MoosemanRCT, Mooseman Ramblings, etc.) on 1 site. I have another site about my web design services, which I'm still setting up.

    I do get a ton of lag in IE , so I should work on that. I'll also add some better degrades for non-CSS3 browsers, and JS disabled. Maybe I can just change everything to static links with noscript tags.

    Thanks.

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    OK, as NoScript user and progressive enhancement evangelist with too few time to go into every detail I’d just like to state that the general approach of “please update your browser and enable JS” and “for legacy browsers and those with JS disabled” is as outdated as a splash page with an “enter” button/link. And actually this approach is even more work for you since you have to provide/edit the content twice.

    Ideally users without JS wouldn’t even know that they are missing anything. The site should be fully accessible at least in a more basic form — in fact, I think you’re way overdoing things with all the blinking, bouncing, moving, fading and what not. But this is more a design issue and it’s not the only design issue. I may give a more elaborate review on that if I feel like it at a later time. Just saying right now that you should rethink the general approach of separate contents. Make some user interaction decisions before starting to design and code a website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIPStephan View Post
    OK, as NoScript user and progressive enhancement evangelist with too few time to go into every detail I’d just like to state that the general approach of “please update your browser and enable JS” and “for legacy browsers and those with JS disabled” is as outdated as a splash page with an “enter” button/link. And actually this approach is even more work for you since you have to provide/edit the content twice.

    Ideally users without JS wouldn’t even know that they are missing anything. The site should be fully accessible at least in a more basic form — in fact, I think you’re way overdoing things with all the blinking, bouncing, moving, fading and what not. But this is more a design issue and it’s not the only design issue. I may give a more elaborate review on that if I feel like it at a later time. Just saying right now that you should rethink the general approach of separate contents. Make some user interaction decisions before starting to design and code a website.
    I'm working on the noscript to keep it all on one page. That part is not live yet, but please visit http://www.Mooseman-Net.com/beta/betahome for a slightly better page (including that there is no 'enter' button). Will be updating often.

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    Mooseman,

    There's too much going on, what is the purpose of the Text boxes when you hover over the menu? Also all the different logos and images use different font styles, doesn't feel tidy and clean!

    I sense a emerging artist in you though Had to resist the allure of shine hehe

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    The beta one is not bad at all.

    A few UI functionality things:
    - You've not quite mastered the navigation bar's effect. The tooltips are not particularly appropriate and I'm not sure why you need to explain the "About" page at all. A simple, subtle hover effect would work much better.
    - I'm not sure why you need "Click for more" on your buttons either. Again, it's self-evident.
    - The news section and Bible verse are cramped in the header. They are content sections (the only content you have on your page, in fact!).

    And a few other things:
    - Yeah...I'm not Christian. I do not, and will never, appreciate being proselyted to. This is 2011, not 1820.
    - I still have absolutely no idea what it's supposed to be about. What is the actual purpose of your site? Do you even know?

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    Need to get rid of the enter button and the logo flashing. I'd put some content on the home page so people know what you are all about and who you are or target a keyword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noreen View Post
    There's too much going on, what is the purpose of the Text boxes when you hover over the menu? Also all the different logos and images use different font styles, doesn't feel tidy and clean!
    Removed the tooltips from home, about, contact, and search.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apostropartheid View Post
    The beta one is not bad at all.
    A few UI functionality things:
    - You've not quite mastered the navigation bar's effect. The tooltips are not particularly appropriate and I'm not sure why you need to explain the "About" page at all. A simple, subtle hover effect would work much better.
    - I'm not sure why you need "Click for more" on your buttons either. Again, it's self-evident.
    - The news section and Bible verse are cramped in the header. They are content sections (the only content you have on your page, in fact!).
    I'll add a hover effect on all of them. The "Click for more," I'm not really sure what's so bad about that. Yes, I realize the news is cramped. I'm considering options of how to fix that without another automatic script.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apostropartheid View Post
    And a few other things:
    - Yeah...I'm not Christian. I do not, and will never, appreciate being proselyted to. This is 2011, not 1820.
    - I still have absolutely no idea what it's supposed to be about. What is the actual purpose of your site? Do you even know?
    This site is about the other 3 sites (MoosemanRCT, Sandbox Productions, and Mooseman Ramblings) that are part of my network.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sysbase View Post
    Need to get rid of the enter button and the logo flashing. I'd put some content on the home page so people know what you are all about and who you are or target a keyword.
    If you look at the beta (www.Mooseman-Net.com/Beta/BetaHome) you will see I removed the enter button and flashing. Maybe I'll change the news widget and replace it with a short "about".

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    Moved beta page: labs.Mooseman-Net.com

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    Alternate one's better. Just needs some text saying what the site's about on the front page


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