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    Feedback on site for artist client

    www.andrewstonyer.co.uk

    Any pointers, things the forum thinks is wrong much appreciated.

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    Why is it written in the third person? It sounds so...stilted like that.

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    Why does the layout require JS? no need, I think.

    If I have JS disabled, the suare images run down the page in one column whereas if I enable it, they form two columns, beneath the larger image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apostropartheid View Post
    Why is it written in the third person? It sounds so...stilted like that.
    Yeah, that's the copy I was given I'm afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazz View Post
    Why does the layout require JS? no need, I think.

    If I have JS disabled, the suare images run down the page in one column whereas if I enable it, they form two columns, beneath the larger image.

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    I'm using Jquery Masonry to layout the thumbnail images. So much of the site relies on Jquery I thought I may as well use it, and it makes this kind of layout much easier for me to do.

    JS disabled users number about 5% (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp), and it at least degrades Ok for people that don't want it on for security reasons (are there any other reasons?). I know that the popup lightbox view doesn't work with js disabled however, which is a real issue at the moment.

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    The client has come back to me and is expressing some disquiet over the form. He's afraid it will lead to a lot of abuse coming back to him. Is there anything, apart from directing messages to a separate gmail account to filter spam, I could do about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by monks1975 View Post
    I'm using Jquery Masonry to layout the thumbnail images. So much of the site relies on Jquery I thought I may as well use it, and it makes this kind of layout much easier for me to do.
    I understand but it is better to ensure the site runs equally well for those who have JS disabled - except obviously for the jquery parts. And the fundamental layout of images doesn't necessitate jquery so it ought not to be used for that in my view.

    JS disabled users number about 5% (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp), and it at least degrades Ok for people that don't want it on for security reasons (are there any other reasons?). I know that the popup lightbox view doesn't work with js disabled however, which is a real issue at the moment.
    It may be 5% currently but that isn't an accurate statistic. (Are any of them?). The correct measurement is that of the visitors to the site - not a percentage of web users, the world over. If that is only 5%, then ok, but if it becomes 20% during the lifetime of the site, what would you do: redesign the site at no cost or tell the client their site became outdated with the speed of web development?

    Better I think. to make it best practice to start with.

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    For your form, you could use recaptcha ... that might stop some of the spamming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazz View Post
    I understand but it is better to ensure the site runs equally well for those who have JS disabled - except obviously for the jquery parts. And the fundamental layout of images doesn't necessitate jquery so it ought not to be used for that in my view.



    It may be 5% currently but that isn't an accurate statistic. (Are any of them?). The correct measurement is that of the visitors to the site - not a percentage of web users, the world over. If that is only 5%, then ok, but if it becomes 20% during the lifetime of the site, what would you do: redesign the site at no cost or tell the client their site became outdated with the speed of web development?

    Better I think. to make it best practice to start with.

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    Your quite right, and in terms of best practice, one should try and make the site display the same, or as well as possible, without no JS. Perhaps what I should do is what A List Apart describes as 'Progressive Enhancement' where users who have JS on get Masonry layout, others get a less sophisticated CSS float layout. Not sure how this is possible yet though.

    But your riff on statistics has a further implication: how many of the kind of people who would visit a site like this (artists, art administrators etc) turn off JS due to security concerns? I suspect this is far lower than even 5%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlseim View Post
    For your form, you could use recaptcha ... that might stop some of the spamming.
    No spamming yet, but am considering catchpa or hidden field in form like described here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2...ity-no-captcha

    I think problem he is worried about more is abuse- negative, critical comments about work etc. Odd, as he's very well respected and I doubt he would get that many. Looking at lots of other artist websites, a lot have contact options.

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    if he's afraid of abuse, bad comments etc, teach him how to use the delete email button, or something. Being an artist, he has to be able to deal with both good and bad comments, abuse and worship. It's all part of his job.

    The problem with spam is that many spam emails from contact forms are done by humans, so not all anti-spam / captcha methods will work - take this forum for example. has captcha and a question you have to answer correctly before you can register, yet spam still gets through due to it being done by humans

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    Quote Originally Posted by monks1975 View Post
    No spamming yet, but am considering catchpa or hidden field in form like described here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2...ity-no-captcha

    I think problem he is worried about more is abuse- negative, critical comments about work etc. Odd, as he's very well respected and I doubt he would get that many. Looking at lots of other artist websites, a lot have contact options.
    The sort of message that is worth being concerned about is one which is posted maliciously by some plonker. he would have no genuine comment to make but would simply want to post something negative. Could be a competitor or some low-life. And the only way to prevent them from submitting a form, is to not have a form.

    If the submission only goes to the artist's email InBox, he hasn't anything to worry about, except perhaps a dent to any ego he may have. If the comments were to go straight onto a web page, then he would need to have either a delete feature (which negates the value of a comments page), or a mechanism, by which he can post his own response. And that isn't an ideal solution either ~ and I don't think there is an ideal solution.

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