Go Back   CodingForums.com > :: Client side development > General web building

Before you post, read our: Rules & Posting Guidelines

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Enjoy an ad free experience by logging in. Not a member yet? Register.
Old 11-04-2011, 08:54 AM   PM User | #1
colinwood07
Banned

 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 20
Thanks: 1
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
colinwood07 is an unknown quantity at this point
Question Is SEO is waste of Time or Invest of Time ?

Hello Guys,

I have a website but i am totally confused for that SEO...

Is SEO is waste of Time or Invest of Time ???


Please Help Me




Thanks in Advance
colinwood07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 01:40 PM   PM User | #2
mlseim
Master Coder

 
mlseim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Cottage Grove, Minnesota
Posts: 9,045
Thanks: 8
Thanked 1,029 Times in 1,020 Posts
mlseim has a spectacular aura aboutmlseim has a spectacular aura aboutmlseim has a spectacular aura about
It's not a waste of time.

It's an attempt to get the best ranking on all search engines.
Nobody except Google knows the exact science of rankings, but
there are some known variables to getting good rankings.

Descriptive titles.
Keywords, Description.
... and content. It's really all about content.
Having other sites link to you is also important.

Now, about SEO "experts" ...

In my opinion, this topic of SEO "experts" is where things go bad ...

If someone can guarantee you a top 10 ranking on Google, notice their fine print.
They determine what the search terms are to get that ranking. So, it depends on
your company, and what they search for. If you sell jewelry, and you search for
"jewelry", your site will not be on top ... there are too many jewelry merchants.
So, the SEO experts will tell you that you have a top 10 ranking on Google, but the
search term is: shimmeringjewels ... which is the name of your company. Well, of
course you'll be on the top 10 ... Not many searched sites will have that keyword.

So, in that example, you've wasted your money. You can get top 10 ranking on
Google for nothing ... no cost.

It all depends on how specific the search keyword is.

If an SEO expert/consultant guarantees top 10 ranking on Google for your jewelry
company, and they have 20 jewelry clients, which of those 20 clients gets to be
on the top 10? Again, the SEO experts have you read their fine print. They
guarantee top 10 Google ranking using the search keyword they specify.

And finally, if you notice the very top results, and right-hand column of Google search results,
there are search results that look different. You can subscribe, or pay for rankings. Not with
an SEO expert, but with Google, Yahoo, or any search engine.

SEO is important, but SEO experts are not. SEO experts will argue that I'm not right about
this, but then again, this is how they make money ... by being "experts" (term used loosely).



.

Last edited by mlseim; 11-04-2011 at 01:46 PM..
mlseim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 03:03 PM   PM User | #3
codingwannabee
New to the CF scene

 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 2
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
codingwannabee is an unknown quantity at this point
Depends on what you mean by SEO. There is 'onsite' and 'offsite SEO'. Though msleim is dismissive of SEO experts, in his post he acknowledges that 'having other sites link to you'-i.e., backlinks, which is off-site SEO-is 'important.

This is where an SEO 'expert' earns his or her keep. However, I should start off by saying that anyone that 'guarantees' and top ranking...well, that's BS, because Lord Master Google giveth, but he can take away at any time.

I am in agreement with msleim that these so-called 'experts' should be dismissed. Some of them are just shady salesman, basically.

It is not that difficult, with the right tools, however, to figure out what it will take to get to the top of the SERPS, by analyzing the first page of Google's results. It involves analyzing the number of backlinks to those sites, the average PR of the top 10, and other factors. You use this info to estimate how many backlinks YOUR site would need to overtake them.

A good SEO analyst will help a business person to see what the best opportunities are in his or her business. For example, as msleaim points out, 'jewelry' is a very competitive term.

However, that doesn't mean a jewelry merchant can't get some traffic-and make some money-from other search terms. For example, if '10k diamond ring' was there for the taking, and you made $2,000 each time someone bought such a ring for you, and you can get 2 sales from that a month, is there a problem with being number 1 for that term, and not 'jewelry'? You answer the question.

SEO DOES work; it's just hard to find someone you can trust.
codingwannabee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 03:15 PM   PM User | #4
abduraooft
Supreme Master coder!

 
abduraooft's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: N/A
Posts: 14,680
Thanks: 158
Thanked 2,182 Times in 2,169 Posts
abduraooft is just really niceabduraooft is just really niceabduraooft is just really niceabduraooft is just really niceabduraooft is just really nice
Quote:
Originally Posted by colinwood07 View Post
Is SEO is waste of Time or Invest of Time ?
Definitely not, but questions like this are really a waste of time for everyone!
__________________
Quote:
The Dream is not what you see in sleep; Dream is the thing which doesn't let you sleep. --(Dr. APJ. Abdul Kalam)
abduraooft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 03:36 PM   PM User | #5
teedoff
Senior Coder

 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: High Point, NC
Posts: 3,325
Thanks: 5
Thanked 363 Times in 360 Posts
teedoff is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by abduraooft View Post
Definitely not, but questions like this are really a waste of time for everyone!
lol Maybe he's just conducting a survey for his SEO Master's curriculum...
__________________
Teed
teedoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 08:14 PM   PM User | #6
mlseim
Master Coder

 
mlseim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Cottage Grove, Minnesota
Posts: 9,045
Thanks: 8
Thanked 1,029 Times in 1,020 Posts
mlseim has a spectacular aura aboutmlseim has a spectacular aura aboutmlseim has a spectacular aura about
So we all agree SEO is important, and not a waste of time.

We agree there is "mystery" behind it .. how Google and others actually
do the calculations. Something we can never know, and the SEO experts
also will never know, despite their claims.

The questionable part is not the SEO, but the experts that claim
they can guarantee top rankings. I think that summarizes our discussion?

Somehow, the SEO businesses, that for some odd reason seem to be concentrated
mostly in the Middle East, remind me of the "PC virus cleaning software" experts
that will remove viruses that don't exist ... for a fee of course.

We'll see how long this thread lasts before I'm blasted by SEO experts.
mlseim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 08:21 PM   PM User | #7
felgall
Master Coder

 
felgall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,454
Thanks: 0
Thanked 498 Times in 490 Posts
felgall is a jewel in the roughfelgall is a jewel in the roughfelgall is a jewel in the rough
The only SEO that isn't a waste of time is where the changes will also make the site more real visitor friendly. Anything you change just for the search engines that makes the site less useful to real people is a waste of time.
__________________
Stephen
Learn Modern JavaScript - http://javascriptexample.net/
Helping others to solve their computer problem at http://www.felgall.com/
felgall is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2011, 05:42 PM   PM User | #8
Divinityfound
New Coder

 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 49
Thanks: 1
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Divinityfound is an unknown quantity at this point
SEO is a vital part of most successful businesses if they require a free form of advertising.
__________________
Web Design Omaha Ne
Hold yourself responsible for a higher standard than anybody expects of you. Never excuse yourself.
- Henry Ward Beecher
Divinityfound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2011, 06:57 PM   PM User | #9
TomekL:
New to the CF scene

 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 7
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
TomekL: is an unknown quantity at this point
White Hat SEO is the smartest thing to do If You're thinking long term and are serious about Your Website/business.
TomekL: is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2011, 11:53 PM   PM User | #10
timmymagic
New to the CF scene

 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: essex
Posts: 5
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
timmymagic is an unknown quantity at this point
Yeah white hat seo is not a waste of time at all, as tempting as black hat seo is, their is a time and place for that and def not a long term way to go. I def cannot see how seo would be a waste of time, better rankings , more traffic, better chance of getting revenue from your site
timmymagic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2011, 03:29 AM   PM User | #11
zabalex
New Coder

 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 20
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
zabalex is an unknown quantity at this point
SEO is never a waste of TIME. It only gives you something. If you have applied the ethical SEO practices then only it will be called a SEO otherwise its not SEO but something else. Selecting right keywords and working on it in the right direction can lead your website to the higher rankings in search engines resulting in more visitors and thus more conversions.

There is nothing QUICK in SEO not even you can achieve a higher ranking quickly for any relevant search term. So do not try any trick that you think can BOOST your ranking QUICKER than naturally or organically. It will only hurt your ranking or may lead to a search engine penalty.
__________________
Search Engine Optimization, San Francisco Internet Marketing
SEO Bay Area |AND| Custom Website Design
zabalex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2011, 03:10 PM   PM User | #12
Bernadette
New Coder

 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Philippines
Posts: 17
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Bernadette is an unknown quantity at this point
Quote:
Originally Posted by codingwannabee View Post
SEO DOES work; it's just hard to find someone you can trust.
I agree with this! The outcome depends on the people or the team you will get to do the SEO work.
Bernadette is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2011, 07:49 AM   PM User | #13
winnie84
New to the CF scene

 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 3
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
winnie84 is an unknown quantity at this point
I think SEO does not waste time at all. It brings a lot of advantage for your business.
winnie84 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2011, 09:08 AM   PM User | #14
logoonlinepros
New Coder

 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 22
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
logoonlinepros is an unknown quantity at this point
Well, i think SEO is not west of time! Being a search engine optimizer i would like suggest you SEO for your web site. May be it takes some time to optimize your site but it works really.
logoonlinepros is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2011, 08:26 AM   PM User | #15
lashley
Regular Coder

 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 117
Thanks: 1
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
lashley is an unknown quantity at this point
Hi,

If you know how to do SEO it's absolutely a great traffic generation method. I suggest you do SEO. Be ware of companies promising top 10 rankings. There could be good seo companies but I know none, in any case you need to learn SEO at least the basics even if you're going to hire a company.

What I did is learn all I can about SEO and did it myself on my website. Now I still do a good part of SEO myself but I outsource certain tasks. So I don't do it all myself. I outsource these: article writing and article submission.

For me I prefer to do the rest myself like keyword research etc, because I've learnt SEO and have always done most of the tasks myself.

Karl
__________________
Spyware cleaner seo tools
lashley is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
internet marketing, seo, smo

Jump To Top of Thread


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:11 AM.


Advertisement
Log in to turn off these ads.