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1) Project Details: (be as specific as possible): Need someone to convert a layout from PSD to a fully functional cross-browser layout. There is a login bar, a poll, a space for ads, and the layout must have threads from the vbulletin linked to the main site. I want the main content box to stretch down as I add more content, but if it's not possible a scrollbox will do. I need the code to be reusable between all of my pages. If possible I want to be able to add or remove links from the navbar without having to edit all of the pages individually.
I have some people that say they are interested already, but none of them respond to my emails fast enough. The average quote so far is $15. Please email me your quote and estimated time it would take for conversion.
...$15? Really? I found £10 on the street the other day. This is simply too little, I think. There are some PSD to XHTML people in the jobs wanted section who might be willing to go that low, try scanning them. You're also asking for functionality, which will generally inflate the price by a fair margin.
That's nice, but I have many offers for $15; as I said that is the average quote I have been getting. Please don't derail the thread with comments like "I found £10 on the street the other day." I'm simply looking for the best offers before committing to work with someone.
Are you looking for the cheapest offer or the best quality work? For example I wouldn't put a quote because it seems like you are only looking for the cheapest, and I can't compete and spend hours of work for only $15. You must be looking at only a few places, probably job offer portals that breed these kinds of low quality offers. There are a lot of people who charge a rediculously low amount for this, but just think about how long it takes to just type at least a page of text (the minimum code), it takes probably half an hour if you know what you are doing. So then the images have to be exported and optomized, then the CSS added, then checked in 5 browsers, all for $15?
Remember that a quote says a lot about the type of service you will get. Sure sometimes people overcharge, but the web has started to foster an environment where people undercharge. And they can because they cut corners, use programs, don't ensure compatability, steal other work, or add hidden charges, so this is a warning against the dangers of committing to work with someone, make sure you have done a little checking on them. Sure its $15, but it might cost you a lot of time too.
jeremy - gnomeontherun Educated questions often get educated answers, and simple questions often get simple answers.
Indeed. Price isn't everything. People who charge more will very likely work more. People who charge more have taken time to learn about web standards, forward compatibility, the need for client communication, semantics, optimization of images &c., will give you a much better site than someone who hasn't, because they're actual, skilled professionals. Someone who hasn't is someone you'd pick up off the various job portals. That's our professional opinions you have here, and, if you want proof, go to any real web designer with a quote like that and they'd laugh, and might even refuse to work with you because you don't value them.
I would consider doing this for $40-50, as an absolute minimum and because I have nothing to do today. =P
I really like you guys. You stand up for our right as professionals to get paid properly. It's so sad that you represent only about 3% of our industry. Your average "freelance exchange" site is testimony to that. With Indian genes in my roots it's probably okay for me to slag off the entire country as being a very big part of the problem of why people think that it's reasonable to pay stupidly low money for such skilled work as ours.
Hell, I've heard managing directors of british companies just off-handedly talking as though "anyone" can do the programming or design work, that this is really not something that means you are an accomplished person. Apparently being able to fill a loan application form correctly during a banking bubble was, at the time, considered more important.
Fortunately people like me are now trampling all such goons and seizing control of their markets with servers, seo, strong development experience and even a brief, but so far successful record of fighting off south american and far eastern hackers and we're not even giving them the chance to up their bids any more. It's their jobs we're after, and I tell ya - we're getting them.
Praise you all for not taking the babylonian mentality of saying "I've got nothing to do today, I might as well do it for 15 dollars even though that's no doubt somewhere between a third and a tenth of the fair wage for this work".
On the last forum I belonged to (I tend to move through forums as and when I get permanently banned or just hate someone so much that being there is actually counterproductive for me even if I come up with the best insults in history) you could not move for people gladly churning out quickfix 10p graphic design for all those companies out there who want to suffocate and starve this indeed very hard business which a lot of talented people choose to do well.
As for perl programmers... I think an industrial tactic is to hire us as Php programmers (who earn £5 to £7 per hour) and then let them voluntarily clean up any perl work as well, even though the real wage for a perl worker is known to be around £30 per hour minimum - 300 pounds per day is by no means uncommon for perl jobs paid fairly - which in an 8 hour day is indeed a bit more than 30 an hour.
Still, what goes up must come down. The people who artificially inflate x or y (i.e. in this case those who inflated the value of liquidity in modern business development - and tried to deflate the value of software engineering and other virtually invaluable areas of modern scientific method) are the only losers when the pinprick comes. And pinprick does sum those people up rather nicely as a group. Not that I'm directing any bile at the thread starter - i imagine he/she is an innocent victim of misunderstanding, misled by the wide variety of stupidly low prices shown on various forums and freelance networks for work that is professional, and actually deserves more per hour than even the best paid actuaries, since frequently our work is harder than theirs. The proof being that people from those jobs do indeed migrate to our jobs, during banking crashes for example (so those of us still feeling smug about how good we've got it - coffee time. MMmmm smell that competition).
Finally, to end my rant, when i clicked this link I didn't really take note of the category it was in, and I was hoping someone out there had devised some script or other application for converting a psd file into a page made of html and css - that would have been really cool. That's what I was looking for. i wonder what pricetag people would put on THAT? ironically, when we the programmers build good tools, people then go and download cracked copies or cracks for their copies or whatever the term is from their torrent sites along with 2 million free episodes of seinfeld and that dutch vegetable porn they were really keen on. Or whatever. Anyway, we'll make em pay one day, eh? After all, any one of us can master a stack overflow, and my understanding is that it's like a masterkey into just about any mainstream (and thus at least partly inept) web construct. Yep. They're gonna call our bluff, and then they're gonna find out we weren't bluffing! Serves em right, is what I say. Vive le liban (or wherever, you know). I really must now reduce my post/day ratio. See ya when I get back from another bout of whatever it is we all get paid to do (or just rewarded, from the satisfaction of a job well done). Besides, the more I'm shooting my mouth off, satisfying my ego, the less I'm learning all the perl I need to know, and shell, and a lot of other stuff too.
Last edited by RabidMango; 07-24-2009 at 05:45 PM..
i like how this page opens up the issue of low pay/piracy/down time in economics... indeed if we dont voice our concerns of under paid jobs .. it would be difficult in the future to get properly paid. Employers always want to push the employee cost prices down.... Employees want more hike.. now if any one of them applies more force or one of them weakns ... Its not good for the other... But in the end both suffer.
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Guys, I understand what you're getting at but don't get me wrong - this is just for a no-profit website and my budget is low. You're free to work for whatever price you want, don't start a debate in here.
The job has already been done, thanks to everyone who messaged me.