Extremely disappointed with Firefox

bcarl314 · 11-05-2009, 07:48 AM

Well, it happened again, I upgraded Firefox on Ubuntu (9.04) and low and behold the moron developers at firefox decided to do something stupid yet again. For some reason, last time (going from 2.x to 3.x) they decided to screw around with the browser url bar (no most recently visited are on top, but instead, they change the UI to be most visited).

Now - NOW!!!, they decide to call their new browser (and the associated user agent string "Shiretoko".

BIG OLD W-T-F!!!

Developers (like myself) have been pushing "firefox" for years, now that it's finally getting market share, why the hell would you "rebrand" something. It's like Microsoft suddenly calling Windows 7 - "Sumatra". Users don't know what the hell that is.

PLUS! All the fonts are totally screwed up.

If firefox does this one more time, I'm dumping my support (both in use and in promotion).

Fou-Lu · 11-05-2009, 08:59 AM

Is there a newer version than 3.5.4? I don't have the same problem on windows xp: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4

Maybe a linux only thing?

Edit:
Also, I haven't noticed anything with the fonts on my windows system.

VIPStephan · 11-05-2009, 11:17 AM

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/fire.../releasenotes/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Firefox_3.5 (look for where it reads “Shiretoko”)

bcarl314 · 11-05-2009, 03:01 PM

Yeah, if it's not for "release" why is it in the standard distribution packages? Did ubuntu mess up here?

drhowarddrfine · 11-05-2009, 03:12 PM

Ubuntu adds their own packaging to Firefox and it is there that the font selection has changed, not the Firefox folk. Also, why are you checking for the user agent? I'm not using the new Ubuntu on this box so I can't check it myself.

EDIT: A quick lookaround shows it was Ubuntu that did this, not Firefox.

oesxyl · 11-05-2009, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcarl314

Yeah, if it's not for "release" why is it in the standard distribution packages? Did ubuntu mess up here?

don't warry, debian and ubuntu mess with fonts for years, have a lot of experience,

best regards

TheShaner · 11-05-2009, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcarl314

Yeah, if it's not for "release" why is it in the standard distribution packages? Did ubuntu mess up here?

It seems to be Ubuntu as that's the same issue on my Ubuntu 9.10 (was 9.04 a few days ago before I updated) box also. My Vista laptop has Fx3.5.4 also and it's just fine.

-Shane

Brandoe85 · 11-05-2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheShaner

It seems to be Ubuntu as that's the same issue on my Ubuntu 9.10 (was 9.04 a few days ago before I updated) box also. My Vista laptop has Fx3.5.4 also and it's just fine.

-Shane

Vista pwned Ubuntu!

Is there a reason they have to mess with the install?

drhowarddrfine · 11-06-2009, 02:00 AM

The installation has to be tinkered with in most distributions, including the BSDs, to make sure dependencies and file structures are in order. Most of the time things are pretty closed and not much needs to be done. In Ubuntu's case, though, they may be trying to make Firefox match their overall theme and that's why they messed with the fonts and such.

The same is done on Vista though not by Microsoft.

cs_student · 11-07-2009, 11:44 PM

I use firefox on Ubuntu 9.10 (and previous versions as I had them). I haven't noticed ... but that may be because I completely change firefox's config settings to make it minimal while still allowing me to use my favorite plug-ins.

I rarely type actual addresses into the url bar now. I mainly use keywords to visit all the sites I want and search with my favorite search engines (thus I never really see/care about the drop down url bar).
I use ctrl+l to get into the url bar then to get to codingforums I simply type the keyword cf, or to search google I type g <insert item here>.

The reason why I haven't tried any of the other browsers is because I've become so used to firefox and know the hotkeys for just about everything (and use them constantly). I never like the default settings for browsers. I just need the url bar and tabs, nothing else.

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bcarl314 Mega-ultimate member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Winona, MN - The land of 10,000 lakes Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts	Extremely disappointed with Firefox Well, it happened again, I upgraded Firefox on Ubuntu (9.04) and low and behold the moron developers at firefox decided to do something stupid yet again. For some reason, last time (going from 2.x to 3.x) they decided to screw around with the browser url bar (no most recently visited are on top, but instead, they change the UI to be most visited). Now - NOW!!!, they decide to call their new browser (and the associated user agent string "Shiretoko". BIG OLD W-T-F!!! Developers (like myself) have been pushing "firefox" for years, now that it's finally getting market share, why the hell would you "rebrand" something. It's like Microsoft suddenly calling Windows 7 - "Sumatra". Users don't know what the hell that is. PLUS! All the fonts are totally screwed up. If firefox does this one more time, I'm dumping my support (both in use and in promotion). __________________ Drop shippers directory -::- Create a free online birthday or Christmas wish list -::- Create accessible online surveys -::- accessible drop down menu -::- Golf Birthday Gifts, golf accessories, and more -::- Learn to flip web sites Zend Certified Engineer

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Fou-Lu God Emperor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 5,123 Thanks: 2 Thanked 554 Times in 542 Posts	Is there a newer version than 3.5.4? I don't have the same problem on windows xp: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4 Maybe a linux only thing? Edit: Also, I haven't noticed anything with the fonts on my windows system. __________________ Code: struct User upFou; userInit(upFou, "Fou-Lu", 1); printf("%s has %s to %s\n", (upFou).Name, !quitSmoking(upFou) ? "FAILED" : "SUCCEEDED", (upFou).Smoker == 1 ? "FAIL" : "PASS"); // Fou-Lu has FAILED to FAIL? Lol* Last edited by Fou-Lu; 11-05-2009 at 09:02 AM..

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VIPStephan Senior Coder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Halle (Saale), Germany Posts: 3,761 Thanks: 3 Thanked 312 Times in 298 Posts	http://www.mozilla.org/projects/fire.../releasenotes/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Firefox_3.5 (look for where it reads “Shiretoko”) __________________ Don’t click this link!

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bcarl314 Mega-ultimate member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Winona, MN - The land of 10,000 lakes Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts	Yeah, if it's not for "release" why is it in the standard distribution packages? Did ubuntu mess up here? __________________ Drop shippers directory -::- Create a free online birthday or Christmas wish list -::- Create accessible online surveys -::- accessible drop down menu -::- Golf Birthday Gifts, golf accessories, and more -::- Learn to flip web sites Zend Certified Engineer

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drhowarddrfine Senior Coder Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,066 Thanks: 0 Thanked 39 Times in 38 Posts	Ubuntu adds their own packaging to Firefox and it is there that the font selection has changed, not the Firefox folk. Also, why are you checking for the user agent? I'm not using the new Ubuntu on this box so I can't check it myself. EDIT: A quick lookaround shows it was Ubuntu that did this, not Firefox. __________________ IE8 is 11 years behind today's standards. Security experts say don't use IE. But it works in IE! Last edited by drhowarddrfine; 11-05-2009 at 03:17 PM..

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drhowarddrfine Senior Coder Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,066 Thanks: 0 Thanked 39 Times in 38 Posts	The installation has to be tinkered with in most distributions, including the BSDs, to make sure dependencies and file structures are in order. Most of the time things are pretty closed and not much needs to be done. In Ubuntu's case, though, they may be trying to make Firefox match their overall theme and that's why they messed with the fonts and such. The same is done on Vista though not by Microsoft. __________________ IE8 is 11 years behind today's standards. Security experts say don't use IE. But it works in IE!

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cs_student New Coder Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ~/ Posts: 61 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	I use firefox on Ubuntu 9.10 (and previous versions as I had them). I haven't noticed ... but that may be because I completely change firefox's config settings to make it minimal while still allowing me to use my favorite plug-ins. I rarely type actual addresses into the url bar now. I mainly use keywords to visit all the sites I want and search with my favorite search engines (thus I never really see/care about the drop down url bar). I use ctrl+l to get into the url bar then to get to codingforums I simply type the keyword cf, or to search google I type g <insert item here>. The reason why I haven't tried any of the other browsers is because I've become so used to firefox and know the hotkeys for just about everything (and use them constantly). I never like the default settings for browsers. I just need the url bar and tabs, nothing else. __________________ What Have You Tried? - How to Ask a Question the Smart Way Get GNU/Linux - Validate [X]HTML - Vim

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