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    There's me thinking I could be tactless and blunt. You've just achieved Master status.

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    Did I go too far?

    Oh well. I've never been a master of anything before so that's nice at least!
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    Did I go too far?
    Nah. Definitely made me chuckle did that 100%/25% comparison.

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    It's interesting to me that you (Dangys) have an answer for every criticism. This makes me think you are smooth talking (conning). Most people, when called on the carpet for their BS, get defensive and hostile. But you simply give explanations for your inconsistencies.

    My other concern is you have artfully made it seem like your offer is so good, everyone's buying into it. (There's only one slot left!) This is standard bandwagoning and also smells like a con game.

    If I'm wrong, and you are the next Mark Zuckerberg, then I'll probably shave my head and rend my clothing in shame.... (but something tells me my shirt will be just fine)

    Oh and Rowsdower, a full HALF of the world's population is now in your camp! Though to be fair, market sampling is used everywhere, from elections predictions, to what people watch on TV, to what new flavor of Coke is pushed out. And it's eerily accurate! We're all a bunch of sheep when it comes right down to it. So I can't knock this guy for using a sampling, but I don't believe he actually did any research at all, nor did he process 3,000 positive feedback emails (or whatever), nor does he have a list of 1.5 million contacts.

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    Yes, but it is used by people who understand statistics, sampling methods, and minimum sample size required to both mitigate sample bias and get a beautiful thing called "statisical significance" for their results (confidence level of .01 to get my attention).

    I'd bet dollars to yen that this market sampling - had it actually taken place - had no controls for any of that and had no more intense math calculation than using the "/" button on a calculator.

    Still just guessing though!
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    Ok, two points...

    First, NDAs are almost always un-enforceable. They're nothing more than a piece of paper that outline you won't disclose sensitive information which wasn't already known or reasonably known to be public. Very few ideas meet those thresholds, so NDAs are usually not very enforceable.

    Second, and I'll preface this with a note that I'm not a statistician, but a 10k sample out of 150million seems like it should yield a fairly small confidence interval for a 95% confidence level (say +/- 5%) assuming his sample was truly random. I don't think it's fair to characterize taking results from a 10k sample and extrapolating them to the general population as misleading.

    To the OP - these are solid questions that demand solid responses. It's not going to get any easier asking people with millions to invest. Knowing how to respond to a simple online forum request for more info will help you in the long run. Don't view this as people picking on you, but rather as an opportunity to learn what hard questions will be asked when you want serious funding. Better to have the process vetted here and now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowsdower! View Post
    That's not ambiguous. You said it was 30% of the people on that 150+ million user database. That's 45 million users giving a positive response.



    Now you're saying it's 30% of a sampling from the list - totaling 3,000 users who responded - and you are projecting that to be characteristic of the entire list. Projections and hard numbers are not the same thing - even so far as e-mail surveys can be regarded as reliable (which is another topic entirely).

    30% of 150 million != 30% of 10 thousand extrapolated to a 150 million base

    If you're already telling "half-truths" (to put it mildly) about this project then why on earth would anyone trust you enough to give you any money?

    And I'm still giving you the benefit of the doubt that [you have an actual idea/you ever contacted anyone about it/your alleged contact list even exists].


    Based on your research design methods I can make the following claims:

    The world population is over 6.92 billion (based on estimates by the US Census Bureau http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html). 100% of them have openly expressed doubt about the accuracy of your claims. And at least 25% of them think that you're outright lying and trying to run a confidence scheme.

    By that, I mean that all four people who have posted responses in this thread so far have said that this sounds questionable, and that I personally think you're trying to run a con game.

    Can you convince the world (er, these four people) otherwise?
    Do you really think anyone would want to look over 45 million users emails. You can base stats off of 10,000 random people I sent to which is not a questionable number at all. Weather you sent it to 150 million or 10,000.

    This is legit. If you wanna invest that up to you, I'm not trying to run a con here to no one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumigator View Post
    It's interesting to me that you (Dangys) have an answer for every criticism. This makes me think you are smooth talking (conning). Most people, when called on the carpet for their BS, get defensive and hostile. But you simply give explanations for your inconsistencies.

    My other concern is you have artfully made it seem like your offer is so good, everyone's buying into it. (There's only one slot left!) This is standard bandwagoning and also smells like a con game.

    If I'm wrong, and you are the next Mark Zuckerberg, then I'll probably shave my head and rend my clothing in shame.... (but something tells me my shirt will be just fine)

    Oh and Rowsdower, a full HALF of the world's population is now in your camp! Though to be fair, market sampling is used everywhere, from elections predictions, to what people watch on TV, to what new flavor of Coke is pushed out. And it's eerily accurate! We're all a bunch of sheep when it comes right down to it. So I can't knock this guy for using a sampling, but I don't believe he actually did any research at all, nor did he process 3,000 positive feedback emails (or whatever), nor does he have a list of 1.5 million contacts.
    I'm not running no con, I have posted this piece of content on many other forums requiring investments. There are only so many slots, which currently there is only 1 left still. If you wanna invest that is completely up to you, I'm in no way trying to force anyone to do anything or trying to do anything misleading or illegal. If any of you wish to see details of anything. I'm more then willing to have you sign the NDA an disclose it even if your not willing to invest. I have done my research an all is good.
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    Personally, I'm not of the 'this is likely a con' camp, although I do think some misguided optimism may well be at work here. A couple more questions:

    1) Why is there still one available space? With such a certainty, people should have been biting your hand off by now.

    2) What was the initial investment amount, in total, which you were after? It seems that approaching the likes of an Angel investor would probably have been your easiest course. Did you try that and were knocked back or similar, or is there some other reason why you're trying to work this the way you are?

    On another note, one thing I would recommend, if you wish to be taken completely seriously, is to speak & write correctly using correct grammar, spelling and punctuation. It really does make a difference. At the moment, you are coming across on a level akin to that of a teenager rather than a more mature person, which instantly reduces credibility by a degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattF View Post
    Personally, I'm not of the 'this is likely a con' camp, although I do think some misguided optimism may well be at work here. A couple more questions:

    1) Why is there still one available space? With such a certainty, people should have been biting your hand off by now.

    2) What was the initial investment amount, in total, which you were after? It seems that approaching the likes of an Angel investor would probably have been your easiest course. Did you try that and were knocked back or similar, or is there some other reason why you're trying to work this the way you are?

    On another note, one thing I would recommend, if you wish to be taken completely seriously, is to speak & write correctly using correct grammar, spelling and punctuation. It really does make a difference. At the moment, you are coming across on a level akin to that of a teenager rather than a more mature person, which instantly reduces credibility by a degree.
    1 available space, idk no one wants it I'd have to guess. About the angel investors I would if I knew how to get one. As for the spelling an punctuations. I'm no English genius. I'm only 22. Grammer, Spelling, an Punctuation was one the things I did horrible on. If I knew more about investors an if there was an easier route I would definitely take that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangys View Post
    Do you really think anyone would want to look over 45 million users emails...
    No, not at all. That was exactly my point. Nobody would - or likely could even if they wanted to - do that amount of marketing contact via e-mail on their own or in a small group. Your post indicated that 30% of the people on the list responded favorably ("About 30% of the people on the directory have already stated"). You didn't say "about 30% of the people polled" (or similar). The language used says, plainly, that 30% of people on the 150+ million user database stated their interest. The math there is clear and simple. My point was that you were being untruthful (or, at least, imprecise) in your claim. The test is in how you answer this challenge. And so far I believe you are failing the test.

    Quote Originally Posted by dangys View Post
    ...You can base stats off of 10,000 random people I sent to which is not a questionable number at all. Weather you sent it to 150 million or 10,000...
    I will only accept that response if you can describe your sampling methods and let me know where your figure of 10,000 subjects came from. Why 10,000? Did that number fall from the sky or was it calculated? If it fell from the sky, why should I believe it is acceptable? Why did YOU believe it was acceptable? Or if it was calculated, please share all of your math used to come up with that number. And this is one set of numbers you should be able to share without any NDA. If you can't demonstrate this math then I can't believe that your "stats" are reliable since you wouldn't have had a clue of how to generate them.

    Look, if you're legit then I'm sorry for giving you such a rough bit of handling, but you seem extremely suspect to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowsdower! View Post
    No, not at all. That was exactly my point. Nobody would - or likely could even if they wanted to - do that amount of marketing contact via e-mail on their own or in a small group. Your post indicated that 30% of the people on the list responded favorably ("About 30% of the people on the directory have already stated"). You didn't say "about 30% of the people polled" (or similar). The language used says, plainly, that 30% of people on the 150+ million user database stated their interest. The math there is clear and simple. My point was that you were being untruthful (or, at least, imprecise) in your claim. The test is in how you answer this challenge. And so far I believe you are failing the test.



    I will only accept that response if you can describe your sampling methods and let me know where your figure of 10,000 subjects came from. Why 10,000? Did that number fall from the sky or was it calculated? If it fell from the sky, why should I believe it is acceptable? Why did YOU believe it was acceptable? Or if it was calculated, please share all of your math used to come up with that number. And this is one set of numbers you should be able to share without any NDA. If you can't demonstrate this math then I can't believe that your "stats" are reliable since you wouldn't have had a clue of how to generate them.

    Look, if you're legit then I'm sorry for giving you such a rough bit of handling, but you seem extremely suspect to me.

    10,000 came from me email 10,000 people with a response of positive answer of 3,134 responses. Based on this I can evaluate that 30% would be interested. These people all come from the same directory randomly chosen by an random automated mass email application. I can amount that 30% of the people in the entire database would response in the same manner. I could have polled a lower amount but the results an statics would have been not very accurate. I polled 10,000 people to get a decent accurate percentage of people who would be willing to use the site on the entire directory. An if you must know the directory. http://gomylocal.com/

    I'm willing to answer any questions or regards to this investment unless the answer must have a NDA signed.


 
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