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    [For Hire] XHTML + CSS Coder

    Hello,

    I am a web designer and i have lost my portfolio site as my old host shut down while I was away and i didnt get a backup. So i have made a quick site on bravenet.com while i get a new host and make my own site.

    here is my portfolio link:

    http://alexcampbell1.bravehost.com/portfolio/

    But there is no page there, so my only portfolio piece is:

    http://alexcampbell1.bravehost.com/p...o/1/index.html


    I am currently working on a Piano sheet music website, and about to start work on a Car Wash website


    I will sometimes make free websites for people, but if you can do something that i need i would request that you pay me by doing that.

    But Advertising is one of my main ways of getting paid for my work.


    If you would like a valid XHTML + CSS website, please reply here or drop me an email.

    if this doesnt make sense to you, please just tell me and i will clarify things for you.



    Regards,
    Alex.

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    dont talk the talk if you cant walk the walk....

    http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...1%2Findex.html

    I have ignored the errorrs generated by the bravenet adverts.

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    Geez, give the guy a break. He said he put up a "quick" site. If you look at his source code, you'll see that he just accidentally put in an extra doctype, html, head, and body tags. As you said, almost all the errors are from the ads. I took out the extra body with the margin declarations, the extra doctype for html 4.01 transitional, the extra head tags, and the code generated for the ads by bravehost, and he only has one error, which is that he's missing an alt tag for his image. If I was in his position, I would've appreciated a nicer way of letting me know my site doesn't validate, instead of shoving it in my face. If the guy was using tables and had a million errors, then sure, shove it in his face, because then it would be a glaring lie about his skills. But he obviously can code to the standards he claimed. A couple obvious accidental mistakes is no reason for your post. I'm sorry. I usually agree with everything you say in these forums and have always thought you were very fair, esp. in these forums, but this is one thing there was no reason for.

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    Sorry, but I'm with missing-score on this one.
    Any self-respecting XHTML/CSS bod would have thought to check and correct any mistakes before setting out their stall.

    Personally, I would have waited a few more days until I'd bought some proper hosting (i.e. without ads) and possibly long enough to (re)build a


    Making apologies for yourself upfront is never a good way to launch yourself into any industry.


    Given that the '/portfolio' page was posted, but points to a 403 error (access forbidden), I would say that the first order of the day would be to get something more appropriate up on that page. Even a oft-dreaded holding page is preferable to a 403 error.

    It seems that the author was totally unprepared to go public. So why did they? Perhaps mroe to the point, why did they post it to a forum of web designers and developers who are infinitely more attuned to spotting the errors of other developers?

    Undoubtedly well-meaning, but lacking real credibility.
    Last edited by Bill Posters; 12-22-2005 at 03:24 PM.

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    I, for one, feel there's a good way and a bad way of doing things. I never said that the validation errors shouldn't be pointed out. I just thought it was the wrong way of going about doing it. If you read his post and content of his website, you can obviously tell he's fairly new to this, as he tends to make sites for free. He doesn't claim to be a professional. Seems like a good person for someone who needs a quick site, wants something economical, and/or doesn't need some hardcore professional, while still guaranteeing to provide a site compliant with today's web standards.

    -Shane

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheShaner
    If you read his post and content of his website, you can obviously tell he's fairly new to this, as he tends to make sites for free. He doesn't claim to be a professional.
    Are you sure you read his site?
    The site/company is called 'Professional Art Designs Inc.' and claims 'All the websites I make are valid tableless XHTML / CSS'.

    As missing-score says, if he's going to talk the talk, …


    If this were a hobby site, then I wouldn't be so hard-minded about it.
    But the last thing this industry needs is yet another ill-prepared newbie calling themself a professional and blagging their way through clients and adding more un-professional sites to the pile.
    It does everyone a disservice.


    I'm not saying he should give it up, just that it was a considerable mistake to announce his arrival in the industry when he clearly wasn't yet able to demonstrate a reasonable level of professional skill (and judgement).
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    All of that stuff on that site i made up just to add some content. And the little mistakes are because its just a quick site. allso, the other doctype and stuff is placed there automatically by bravenet, i didnt do it.

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    My point is that 7 of your previous threads have been deleted because they were making un-backed up claims of XHTML/CSS work etc. I think I am being fair for the following reasons:

    @Mr. Bubble: Giving him information that his code is invalid even though he is stating he can code XHTML/CSS designs. Yeah, its close, and I didnt go into semantics issues which I would have liked to if this was the reviews forum. I fairly let him know he had an error.

    @Everyone Else: Pointing out that this person has never yet produced a full XHTML compliant design that we have seen, so that they dont get pulled into paying for something that doesn't work out.

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    There are plenty of coders that do it with tables and horrible coding, and html 4.01 of w/e its called

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    OK, if your realy want to see a valid site. heres one that i havnt completely finished yet; its for my brothers business.

    http://alexcampbell1.bravehost.com/p...o/2/index.html


    VALID XHTML and i think CSS




    Alex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Bubble
    OK, if your realy want to see a valid site. heres one that i havnt completely finished yet; its for my brothers business.

    http://alexcampbell1.bravehost.com/p...o/2/index.html


    VALID XHTML and i think CSS
    Haven't completely finished yet? You've hardly started it.

    Whether it's valid XHTML or not is hard to tell because I can't tell where their code stops and your code starts. A validator certainly won't pass it as valid, regardless of how valid 'your bit' might be.
    It does use valid CSS though, but then, given what little is actually there, that's not a particularly impressive achievement.
    An empty header, one empty 'content' column, one side column with a badly constructed menu* and an empty footer does not qualify it as 'a site'.
    It's possibly the basis of a website, but until you have some content in there and keep that semantic and valid, then you might have demonstrated that you can do what you claim to do.

    * (the menu)
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    <div id="nav">
                                      <div class="nav_box">
                                        <a href="#">Home</a>
                                      </div>
                                          <div class="nav_box">
                                            <a href="#">Services / Prices</a>
    
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                                              <div class="nav_box">
                                                <a href="#">Available Jobs</a>
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                                                    <a href="#">About</a>
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                                                        <a href="#">Contact</a>
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    If you wish to present yourself as capable of producing professional quality sites, then you really need to stop messing about with bravenet and get some proper hosting and a proper domain name.
    No-one other than those looking for absolute bargain bin web services is going to take you seriously while you have free hosting ads, a host which undoes your claims of validity and a url which reads http://alexcampbell1.bravehost.com/.

    Imho, you are still some way away from demonstrating a professional quality of output. You're not at the bottom of the learning curve, but you're not as far along as you appear to believe.
    It's the difference between what you appear to know now and how you appear to present and handle yourself and what someone who really knows what they're doing knows that is the difference between your output and that of a true professional.
    Your skills may actually be up to scratch (though there is clearly room for improvement), but it's the other stuff like using free hosting, a sub-domain and referring to a basic, preparatory layout which technically isn't valid as 'a valid site' that's letting you down.
    Last edited by Bill Posters; 12-23-2005 at 12:06 PM.

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    I know, i didnt think it would be much but everybody here just wanted to see something valid from me, so there it it.

    If you would be kind enough and believe that i can do it, then you will see that site finished soon enough.

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    I know, i didnt think it would be much but everybody here just wanted to see something valid from me, so there it it.

    If you would be kind enough and believe that i can do it, then you will see that site finished soon enough.

    Anyway, i am offering practically free sites, so you shouldnt be complaining if i can do valid sites, not many people offer valid sites for free

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    Well you didnt state how much you were charging, in previous threads you went from charging nothing to $250 within a couple of days, and what you posted is definatley not worth the latter.


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