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    what browser for testing

    for testing my css2 I use mozilla , abd you ? what is for you the best browser for xhtml and css2 ?

    and what do you think of Opera ? :-(((

    thank you

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    Re: what browser for testing

    Originally posted by jeorg
    for testing my css2 I use mozilla , abd you ? what is for you the best browser for xhtml and css2 ?

    and what do you think of Opera ? :-(((

    thank you
    1. The same. Typically a recent nightly off the 1.2 branch currently.

    2. Mozilla of course.

    3. Opera 6 supports a surprising amount of CSS2 (more so than IE), but still lacks. (Can't style form elements, doesn't support XSLT, etc).

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    XHTML

    yes I was really surprised of Mozilla ! wondefull !

    I use xhtml 1 transitional

    and I have a lot of diffilculties to get what I want with the last Opera... it works for IE 6, netscape 6, and Mozilla


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    Re: Re: what browser for testing

    Originally posted by jkd
    Can't style form elements
    i hate that, opera annoys me sometimes
    i like IE

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    For the record - it's not accurate to say Opera can't style form elements; it's more accurate to say Opera won't style form elements - this was a deliberate decision to prevent them from being able to be made to look like anything other than form elements.

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    Originally posted by brothercake
    For the record - it's not accurate to say Opera can't style form elements; it's more accurate to say Opera won't style form elements - this was a deliberate decision to prevent them from being able to be made to look like anything other than form elements.
    Thanks for clearing that up. I almost always forget that it was an accessibility decision...

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    Originally posted by brothercake
    this was a deliberate decision to prevent them from being able to be made to look like anything other than form elements.
    why would they do that?

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    !!

    yes I cannot undestand such a decision too ! when everybody has allready wait too long for common standarts

    at least CSS2 nearlly works every where, and with a good xhtml we have nearlly the feeling we knows what we are doing...

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    hmmm

    yes my english is a bit buggy too :-))

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    Originally posted by cg9com


    why would they do that?
    One word: Accessibility

    Though a user can always define their own stylesheet to keep form elements styled to the OS default...

    But I use Mozilla, so I really don't care too much about why Opera decided to remove this or not. I have mouse gestures, tabbed browsing, and the best standards support anywhere - that's all I need.

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    Re: !!

    Originally posted by jeorg
    at least CSS2 nearlly works every where
    Ha! I wish. CSS1 works just about everywhere. Internet Explorer for Windows however is severely lacking in the CSS2 department, esp. with regards to selectors.

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    I use Mozilla,Konqueror and Opera for testing XHTML/CSS2 stuff.Theres is almost no diference though,unless some DOM stuff is involved which doesn't work in Opera 6 (Opera 7 will have DOM support).

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    Konqueror

    but how do you get Konqueror ?? I have tried to download it !! and couldn't find the way

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    It is a part of KDE3. You need to run XFree86, which is typically a *nix thing.

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    jkd, you have tabbed browsing and mouse gestures thanks to opera, who, as far as I know, introduced them as standard fare as far as popular browsers go.

    I use opera for all my testing... stuff. Chances are really good that I would use mozilla, but it takes 10 times longer to start up than opera. Yea you can make mozilla cache itself at startup or something... but that's kinda cheating.

    Opera may not support everrrything in standards, but they pretty much ONLY support standards, i.e. they don't put or support propriety code... which makes them good for testing. other features like turning off style sheets, tables, and images w/ a shortut key plus validating page code from the right click menu are all feature put there mostly for web developers use. It's also one of the only browsers I know that can display WML.

    still... you have to pay to get the ads off it... which sucks. What I always do is test for the strictest browser, and THEN add things like styling form elements.
    and I have a lot of diffilculties to get what I want with the last Opera... it works for IE 6, netscape 6, and Mozilla
    This is because those three browsers are bloated with support for poorly written code, whereas opera is not.

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