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    (sorry richard) Have 3 questions. sorry for the crappy free host. IE, Opera and etc..

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    sorry for the crappy free host. byethost now has ads and it's a POS. Tossed this up there for some help. I'll kill itafter 5 days if my internet connection (ugh...don't get me started) doesnt crap out again.

    1) Opera. My nav doesn't give the hand cursor. I'm using Javascript to do the effect. is there some way i can have the hand in Opera?

    2) IE 6 & 7. The footer is misaligned at full screen. I have seen this and delt with it before, but only on fluid layouts. The 1px is just funny as I built it great and then fored up IE's and ZOINKS! I fiddled with 99.?% that work in fluid layouts but no dice here.

    3) General conscensus question: my nav is 100k. so on initial page lod it's some 200k +/-. Too much? I hve made a plain and simple handheld stylesheet for it and since everythig so far is all loaded through css, is that acceptable. I try to keep everything under 100k but it's a big "sliding doors" thing so...

    and is it confusiong at all with the roll overs?

    soory for the crap post but I have t type fast before my connection drops me again.

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    1. Weird bug but some how by removing the return false statements in the onmouseover and onmouseout event handlers the hand comes back.

    2. IE has trouble centering things in relation to its parent which is why its off by 1px or so. I think the only solution here might be to not set a width on #foot and use top center on the background image and then have another block level element within the #foot div that has the set width of 560px.

    3. As for 3 I don't think you even need to use javascript at all. Can you not just slice up each image and use absolutely positioned spans to put them into position?

    Oh and a good free web host is freehostia.com. I thought their accounts only lasted a year but I've had mine for a little longer than a year now.
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    1. weird yeah. I've usedthis before and dont think i've had the issue. i'll do that and see how it goes.

    2. My idea was to avoid an unnessecary div in there. I played with % based alignments for IE but no dice. If putting another block in there works the best than I'll have to subside and bit the bullet.

    3. the way they are cut, im not sure if it can be done reasonably without JS. I cut the image up to start with and it came out some 50k more total. now I'm all for sliding things in place, but to do the effect requires more than 6 images (the non-hover + the hover states) and savig them out as 65% jpg's took it to more than 140k. Im still trying to cut it down file size.doing spans woulod be an option, but the +40k of the images needed plus the extra css needed will just add to load time.

    i'll reslice adn try something else to see if it works out better though.

    thanks for taking the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbingerOTV View Post
    sorry for the crappy free host. byethost now has ads and it's a POS.
    So far as I know, theyíve always had ads. They mentioned that they were adding ads recently though and added them to my page despite me having paid to remove them last year; I had to contact customer service to get them removed.

    Quote Originally Posted by harbingerOTV View Post
    1) Opera. My nav doesn't give the hand cursor. I'm using Javascript to do the effect. is there some way i can have the hand in Opera?
    You only need to remove the first instance of return false for the pointer cursor to come back. I donít understand why. Not sure why you would put return false on an element without a default action in the first place though.

    Quote Originally Posted by harbingerOTV View Post
    3) General conscensus question: my nav is 100k. so on initial page lod it's some 200k +/-. Too much? I hve made a plain and simple handheld stylesheet for it and since everythig so far is all loaded through css, is that acceptable. I try to keep everything under 100k but it's a big "sliding doors" thing so...
    I donít think that itís too much provided that your document is written with accessibility in mind. As it is, the page is pretty unreadable and the links unusable before the images have loaded. You should work on color in the absence of images and replace the hyperlink background images with image elements so that you have alt text before the images load and should they fail to load. Youíll also have accessible links when the style sheet is missing or assistive technologies try to read them.

    HmmÖ I just now noticed that you have a duplicate copy of the navigation at the bottom of the document. I would still work on accessibility for the links though; people donít expect the main navigation to be at the bottom of a page.

    Quote Originally Posted by harbingerOTV View Post
    and is it confusiong at all with the roll overs?
    They seem to be pretty clear to me.
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