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    Create web site and maintain web site!

    hi,

    I'm now working as web master at a property company, the major responsibilities are creating and maintaining their company's web-sites (subsidiary), now I intend to revamp the whole web-site structure for easy updating and maintaning. The major web-site is www.setiahomes.com which provides information of our property development project --> what are the current projects, new lauching and property which are still available for sales by showing out the all the Lots. So in order for us to provide the latest sales figure of our houses, our Web Development session have to keep on updating the sales figure manually. So, for the new version of our web-site, i will be creating an database - driven module where our sales people can update the sales figures automatically.

    This is only part of the whole web-site, since most of our web-site's information is consider dynamic where we have to update quite often, so i'm not intending to create static html page (now most are html pages which created by ex web master), so my idea is creating a template for updating the content as well as generating new web-pages while needed. I'm here would like to emphasiz that don't ask me to look for the built-template which offer by most of web development web-site. I want to create the template from scratch. But I don't know how to start. I did do research on internet, but none of it is related to my problem.

    As I know Usually, web master will maintain their web-site by editing the web-content (add new pages or edit existing pages) using html editor or application like FRontPage or Dreamweaver manually, means they have to open the file and update, after that upload to the server, this is time consuming and boring as keep on doing the same job. Moreover, it is wasting time as instead of doing the editing most of the time, the web master can do others advance job like creating others intrenal web application for their company used. This is what I'm doing now. But now as i know, a lot of web masters or more advance technique for updating the content already, that is by creating a database-driven template for them to maintain their web-site. But, I face a problem, that is I don't know how to start, and how to design the structure. Can any one of you tell me, usually how do web masters maintaining their web-sites???

    Please advice!

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    I don't know if this would help, but I did a site for a local commercial real estate broker with dynamic content coming straight from a database. I created an admin system where someone from the company can login and add/modify/delete any of the properties listed on the site. Once the information is altered in the admin system the changes are reflected immediately on the live site.

    Check out www.tsunis.com and check how I did the listings. Every property displays its own content, but there is only one asp page that displays all of the properties (as a template). For security reasons I obviously can't show you the admin system but if any of this info is helpful let me know and I can give you more details.

    Just as a side note: make it functional first then worry about the design and asthetics of the site. Its much easier that way.
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    If you're talking about a database i would like to suggest using a server side language. This will make it possible to store the information you want to display on your site in a database, which can be updated by the sales people themselves, and presenting this information using server side scripting so your pages will reflect the database contents in a way you wish and will always show the latest info.
    What language and database system you'd choose depends on your knowledge and on what's available.
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    webmarkart speaks like a true coder, lol! In my experience the most difficult thing to do is design around the coding, because then you have to fuss back and forth with the layout to get the data to appear where you want. Up to you though. I always start with a screenshot.

    If you want a site template a bunch of people will be adding content to, this is pretty easy to manage using PHP. The entire design structure only loads once per session so the pages run super fast. Basically you break the pages apart into separate files and place these above the readable server level to be called from any directory, then it's all a matter of people pasting html between the <!--Content goes here--> tags on the pages (or from a MySQL admin interface once you want to get fancy).

    Jee has some easy tutorials over at http://php-haven.com about how to do this. It's worth looking into.
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    Still not very sure

    Thanks for all the reply, really appreciate. Guess I need to give more details about myself. I'm a ASP web developer, have already Involved in Web Development for two years, but still not very good. So, for the new web-site I will still using ASP as we are using window 2000 as our web-server.

    >but I did a site for a local commercial real estate broker with dynamic content coming straight from a database. I created an admin system where someone from the company can login and add/modify/delete any of the properties listed on the site. Once the information is altered in the admin system the changes are reflected immediately on the live site. > From Webmarkart

    Actually, my existing web-site already have these features. I got create an admin system for updating our propert sales figure. But I only appy a little on my web-site. Most of our current web pages are in static HTML format, really sigh when come to update the content. I have already accessed www.tsunis.com. It is really very very good as all the listing are listed in only one asp file that is listings.asp. I will apply this feature for my new web-site. But i will create more advance by add in images.)

    I don't know whether you all have been accessed to our web-site, but anyway just brief you a bit of how my existing web-site is maintained and what I'm going to do for my new web-site.

    Our current web-site do provide our property sales information in a very good format whereby we show our site plan and give every lot details such as price, sqft and lot number (www.setiahomes.com/johor/splan_alicia1.htm) the only problem is that the site plan is not a dynamic site plan. why i said so is because we manually modify the color of the site plan base on the status (available/sold out). So, for the new web-site I have already find out the solution, that is I will apply GIS technology. so, that i can show the site plan with the most updated information as i will creat an admin system where our sales people can login and add/modify/delete any of the properties listed on the site. Once the information is altered in the admin system the changes are reflected immediately on the live site.

    I have some questions to ask, but will base on my current web-site, so hope that you can access to our web-site (www.setiahomes.com) and then guide me.

    1.) As you can see, the major part of our web-site is providing information on our current projects development base on their project name (derive from location name). When click into the project, there have all the information related to the project , such as where it is located, features, development progress, property for sales...etc. All these web-pages are created by using Static HTML format (using M.FrontPage), so is time consuming. So now what I intend to do is (after go through the site that webmarkart mentioned-->
    a.) create an asp page for Home
    create an asp page for Location
    create an asp page for Features
    create an asp page for Property for sales
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    All the aboved mentioned asp pages will be shared for others projects as you have found that almost all the projects have same format of the content. Please advice!


    2.) I want to know how did you create the admin template for updating the content. I know that all the content is saved in the database, am i right??? But how did you do the layout design? for instance, your company.asp, this asp page is used for display two content, one is Company Information and another one is Testimonials, but the layout of the content for these two pages is different, the Testimonials page has more images than the Company Information page, how did you do the layout page. From my experience, the asp page must have fixed layout, means that we define where to put the images, title, navigation link, content...etc, then the pages which share the same asp page sure will have same layout. IS THAT A CORRECT WAY, PLEASE ADVICE.

    3.) How do I create a template which will allow me to create new web-page (Html/Asp) and add in content??? I have no idea whether got web master do this kind of template or they will use Web Development tools such as MFrontpage / Dreamweaver for creating new page and manually add the link and upload the new page.

    4.) After oversee my current web-site, do you have better idea how how am I going to design my new web-site start from A-Z for easy maintaining. For the content that is not updated regulary, i should create it using static HTML???????

    Thanks so much in advance!!

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    Oh ya, webmarkart, below is the code that I cut and paste from the www.tsunis.com

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">

    I found that some of the web-site do has this line, may I know why put this line???? I never practise this.

    I found that you put the meta tag on the default.asp page, why others pages you didn't put meta tag??? doesn't it is very important for search engine purpose????

    Thanks!

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    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
    This code is from Macromedia Homesite 5, which is a programming editor. Basically I have set up different templates for webpages and this code is basically so I know what template I used. This particular code is obviously for HTML version 4. So every time I make a new file with this it starts me off with the basic html tags:

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

    <html>
    <head>
    <title>Untitled</title>
    </head>
    <body>

    </body>
    </html>




    Your second question about the metatags... You can obviously put the metatags on all of your pages, but I do not want each page of the site to be indexed by the search engines. I want the home page to always be the page that comes up. In othe words I don't want someone clicking through from a search engine directly to the contact us page; I want the to go to the home page first.
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    The !doctype declaration refers to a Document Type Definition (DTD), which is used by validators to know to which DTD they have to validate the code against. Check the W3C for more info on the subject.
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    Helo Webmarket, why you din't reply all the questions that I mentioned in the forum, start from question 1-4 --> about how am I creating my web-site start from A-Z. Hopefully can have your idea. I 'm going to design my web-site soon....

    Any suggestion willbe received warmly.

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    As far as making my system more advanced by adding pictures... http://www.tsunis.com/listings.asp?a...no=-1326727899

    I gave them the ability to add pictures, but they don't utalize it very often.

    Every page on my site is an asp file regardless of how often its updated. I'm not sure how familiar you are with asp, but I use include files on almost every page also. Any info that I include on more than one page is an include including the header, nav, footer, disclaimer, ect.

    As far as not having the same template within an asp page, the "About Us" links do use the same formatting. The only thing that changes is the content within the white box. In this case I call two different include files depending on which of the two links a user clicks. I've attatched the company page as a quick example:

    If a user clicks on company info I go to company.asp which is defaulted to open the company info include because the variable action is null. Likewise is someone clicks testimonials I pass the variable action=testimonial which loads the testimonial include.
    See the file I attached you'll see what I mean.

    All of the information from the property listings, company directory, and the user supplied info for requesting info are stored in a database. When someone does a search they can search through the database and bring back only the listings that met their search criteria.

    As far as the admin system... I have a login screen using cookies to store the password. Once logged in the administrator has the options to Add Listing, Modify Existing Listing, View Leads from the request info page, Add Employee to the company directory, and list all employees in the directory. Obviously the important ones are the add and modify listings. To add a new property they fill out a form with all of the info they have about the property including images... Its all error checked to make sure certain key fields are entered. Once they submit this form the listing is added to the database and thus viewable from the main website that the user sees. To modify a listing I have the same search feature with a few extras to select the listing that they need to modify. From there there is the same form used to add a listing but this time all of the fields are filled in. They change what they need to and submit it back to the database.

    I don't know if I answered all of your questions, but unless you have a decent understanding of asp and access databases this will be a daunting task. If there is something I missed ask it again and I'll see what I can do.
    Last edited by webmarkart; 08-14-2002 at 06:34 AM.
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    here is the asp/include example I said I would post...
    Attached Files Attached Files
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    Dear Webmarket,

    I can understand what you mean....
    I know that we can use include directive to include file such as txt, asp, html, inc..etc into our asp page, it is very useful for the pages which share the same content, for intance footer.

    I'm here would like to confirm, if we create database driven asp pages, that mean we should define and fix the layout of our asp page, am I right?? means that we define where to put the images, title, navigation link, content...etc, then the pages which share the same asp page will have same layout. IS THAT A CORRECT WAY, PLEASE ADVICE. For example: I use the table for displaying our properties listing, in the left column i use it for displaying the property image and the right column for the details of the property, as below:

    <table width="24%" border="1">
    <tr>
    <td><%=objRS("image")%></td>
    <td><%=objRS("details")%></td>
    </tr>
    </table>

    IS THIS A CORRECT WAY, PLEASE ADVICE.


    2.) I hope that you can have a look on our web-site and give me suggestion on how am I going to design my asp pages. This is very important as a very good structure of my web-site is important for maintainance. Below is my idea for building my new web-site.

    As you can see, the major part of our web-site is providing information on our current projects development base on their project name (derive from location name). When click into the project, there have all the information related to the project , such as where it is located, features, development progress, property for sales...etc. All these web-pages are created by using Static HTML format (using M.FrontPage), so is time consuming. So now what I intend to do is (after go through the site that you mentioned-->

    a.) create an asp page for Home
    create an asp page for Location
    create an asp page for Features
    create an asp page for Property for sales
    -----
    All the aboved mentioned asp pages will be shared for others projects as you have found that almost all the projects have same format of the content. Please advice!


    3.) How do I create a template which will allow me to CREATE NEW web-page (Html/Asp) and add in content??? I have no idea whether got web master do this kind of template or they will use Web Development tools such as MFrontpage / Dreamweaver for creating new page and manually add the link and upload the new page.


    Thanks!

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    As far as using a template for your dynamically generated asp pages, yes its easiest to use a set layout and just fill in the appropriate variables for a particular property. You will notice that all of the listing details on www.tsunis.com are all the same format but with dynamic content.

    If I havn't already answered part 3 of your last post then I'm not really following you. I guess I'm not really sure what your asking about creating a new page. If you could reword it I might be able to help you.
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    I think you should take a look at this software solution - http://www.interactivetools.com/products/realtymanager/

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    Thanks webmarket for the reply....
    Yes, I have notice that all of the listing details on www.tsunis.com are all the same format but with dynamic content. But this is only apply to the content which have same format. For instance, in www.tsunis.com, your listing categories(Industrial, Investment, Retail..etc) all have same format-->They all have properties :

    List Number List Type City State Size

    1.) How about for those content which don't have the same format???
    I ask this question is because, if I create an asp page use for project "Home Page" -> www.setiahomes.com/johor/index.html or www.setiahomes.com/setiaindah/index.html, how can I set and fix the layout by fill in the appropriate variables since they are not in the same format??? Usually how does web master deal with this kind of dynamic content?? create it manually by using web development tools (M.Frontpage/Dreaweaver)????

    2.) Regarding the third question, what I'm trying to ask is instead of using web-developement tools (M.Frontpage/Dreamweaver) to create new asp or html page, can we create a template for us direct to generate new web-pages and add in content?? For example, in my case, I need to create new asp/html pages if we have new launching, and all these new pages will be uploading to our web-site. --> This is only apply if I fail to build a template as what I describe on question 1 above.

    I'm not very good in English and I have alreday tried my best to explain and describe what I want to said, hope you don't mind.

    Thanks so much...


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