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    Post Changing The Internet With One Word

    Alright, I can't find any place to simply discuss this idea without 30 people coming at me saying, "I'll do this for $300." No, that's not what I'm looking for, I want this to be an open idea, I want everybody on this thing using it creatively.

    Ok so, after a website called pUT.iO came out I was inspired by it's ability to fetch downloads, including torrents, at gigabit speeds, storing video music and pictures to be viewed right there on the site.

    With the release of the API I start wondering what could be done with it? I'm no coder, I'm more of a networking/software guy. Working as a signal systems support specialist.

    Anyways my first idea was to take the pUT.iO API and allow that site to fetch the download links while placing them on Amazon S3 instead of it's limited storage. Then I thought, why stop there?

    Why can't you download these files directly to other sites, web servers, youtube, hell maybe even your own personal computer. Why can't we take the idea of pUT.iO and apply it as a regular download fetcher that is compatible with any program?

    ..Or why can't ISP sell extra bandwidth beyond your download caps if you so choose, instead of 300kb/s why can't I buy 100GB's of bandwidth at 1000kb/s?

    There's a lot of potential out there, tell me what you think or tell me your ideas, if you feel so obliged check out the pUT.iO API here: http://goo.gl/gg3l

    P.S. ...fetching was the one word....

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    Have we reached a level of laziness such that we can't even be bothered click a link and wait a few minutes for a download to complete?

    And if you want extra bandwidth, contact your ISP. Somehow I doubt they would refuse to sell you an advanced (yet technically feasible) package.
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    You're failing to see a bigger picture here, don't flatter yourself with downloading 3MB Hannah Montana songs every once in awhile. Think of this is a coders perspective...I mean why are you here?

    Bringing the capabilities of gigabit networks to normal everyday people at a reasonable price. Or giving corporate abilites to small businesses, as files become larger and larger why must we bother with improving the lines, going from dial-up to cable to dsl to fiber optics, it's all a total waste of money when you consider the power of cloud computing.

    A while back I also had the idea of P2P internet. A system that, when you're "always on high-speed internet" is idle it cuts off most of it's bandwidth from the ISP and spreads it out to other users for extra.

    If a companies servers can push out gigabit networks to every user why even bother with that?

    Look, I'm looking for coders while I learn a bit myself around my college in psychology, workouts, the army, work in other fields around the internet blah blah blah. The point is I want people to see potential in this and take it to use.

    I've gone from forum to forum finding dishonest coders looking for "work" and just recently a ****bag that thinks he has a point to prove. If there's anyone here that knows how they can use this, use it, and maybe give us some updates as you work which is something I'll start doing with mine soon.

    A network in the clouds, that's all it really is, a basic connection to get there, and the ability to use it freely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorax232 View Post
    Bringing the capabilities of gigabit networks to normal everyday people at a reasonable price. Or giving corporate abilites to small businesses, as files become larger and larger why must we bother with improving the lines, going from dial-up to cable to dsl to fiber optics, it's all a total waste of money when you consider the power of cloud computing.
    I'm surprised at this since you claim to be a network person. You can have infinite bandwidth and storage in your "cloud", but if Joe Sixpack's pipe is 128k, it's 128k no matter whether he yanks Hannah Montana from Disney or from your utopian cloud.
    Quote Originally Posted by thorax232 View Post
    A system that, when you're "always on high-speed internet" is idle it cuts off most of it's bandwidth from the ISP and spreads it out to other users for extra.
    This is how it works anyway.
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    Arrow

    You're not seeing this from a reasonable perspective, get your head out of your *** and think.

    Head over pUT.iO ...that's a website put.io no www no com simple enough? Look at what they do, a friend of mine built that on an idea I had with torrent systems.

    pUT.iO is already doing this, but only within a very private space. For $20 a month you get 100GB of storage and 100GB of bandwidth at a maximum of close to 200,000 kb/s. My new idea is to open that up into a larger scale.

    As for your second quote I'll say it again, pull your head out of your *** and think.

    That "extra" is going beyond a given limit such as 300kb/s to push to 400, 600 or beyond. Depending on idle networks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorax232 View Post
    ..Or why can't ISP sell extra bandwidth beyond your download caps if you so choose, instead of 300kb/s why can't I buy 100GB's of bandwidth at 1000kb/s?
    They can, you just have be willing to pay the high prices for it. If you want an OC12 connection, you can buy it.

    But on a purely consumer level, the reason for the slow increases in available bandwidth, at least in the US is that there is virtually no competition. In most areas there is only one or maybe two broadband providers so there is little or no incentive to spend money to improve their service.

    Quote Originally Posted by thorax232 View Post
    Bringing the capabilities of gigabit networks to normal everyday people at a reasonable price. Or giving corporate abilites to small businesses, as files become larger and larger why must we bother with improving the lines, going from dial-up to cable to dsl to fiber optics, it's all a total waste of money when you consider the power of cloud computing.
    How is improving your bandwidth a waste of money? Let's say you download a 300MB from some site, and if I understand what you are trying to say, you'd download it to some online storage space, yes? Well if you want to view that file on your local computer, you'd still need to download it over your connection. Hence the advantage of having more bandwidth.

    Quote Originally Posted by thorax232 View Post
    A while back I also had the idea of P2P internet. A system that, when you're "always on high-speed internet" is idle it cuts off most of it's bandwidth from the ISP and spreads it out to other users for extra.

    If a companies servers can push out gigabit networks to every user why even bother with that?
    The Internet is already peer to peer, that was in fact the reason it was created so the loss of a single link or node wouldn't disable the entire system.

    As for bandwidth you aren't using, as tomws said it already works like that. If you are talking about selling bandwidth you aren't using at the moment, it has already been tried.

    Quote Originally Posted by thorax232 View Post
    You're not seeing this from a reasonable perspective, get your head out of your *** and think.
    tomws has been very nice, no reason to start being rude. Frankly it isn't totally clear what your idea is and what you are going for.
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    Put .io is a storage service that fetches media files and lets you stream them immediately

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    A network in the clouds, that's all it really is, a basic connection to get there, and the ability to use it freely
    yeah, i've got one of those .. its called the Internet.

    I also have a local gigabit network.. (& as already mentioned above, and the most pertinent point) attached to useless Australian broadband network (soon to be filtered by Chairman Rudd)

    Note that I also have a Ford Falcon in Sydney, and to get it here to Perth would take about 3 days by roadtrain !!... however there is a great service that can transport it to Darwin instantly!!! ... then all I have to do is fetch it.... by roadtrain ... about 3 days.
    resistance is...

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    This has got to be the worst forum I've seen I know a team of 25U's and 25B's in my unit that want to make it all happen, Hasan from pUT.iO wants to make it happen but he's busy with other, simpler features.

    Now there are no coders on this site and nobody that understands a god damn thing I think I can move on. I can now say, without a doubt, the people on this site is full of a bunch of ****ing pricks that just refuse to see improvement.

    There are people getting a hold of this idea and wanting to try it, the only problem, they're actually smart enough to be and stay busy. You can go back to making stick flash games and ****ty apps that tell me what time it is.

    Just as a final summary let's take it back to how the idea grew and maybe you might understand what the idea was.

    1. Use pUT.iO to download large files to Amazon S3 without having to download then upload them. (Giving Amazon S3 fetching capabilities.)

    2. Take this Amazon S3 idea and apply it into a very compatible, ever growing application that can fetch download links to web hosts, online storage or anything you see fit. (Like an FTP fetcher)

    3. Allow that app to somehow access your local computer to allow your to fetch download links at gigabit speeds. (Far fetch'd but possible.)

    Then somehow we made it to this.

    1. Use P2P internet to increase MAXIMUM download speeds as part of a regular internet service. (As in for free...)

    2. Do all of this with an internet application instead of waiting for better technology from the ISP. (I don't give a **** about your personal awesome internet connection, it's expensive and unnecessary.)

    3. Apply other ideas here: (I know it hurts the brain.)

    It's not that hard of a concept and I've had to talk to about 20 good friends and a few people on the internet about this and I have yet to see the kind of ignorant resistance that comes from you people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorax232 View Post
    This has got to be the worst forum I've seen I know a team of 25U's and 25B's in my unit that want to make it all happen, Hasan from pUT.iO wants to make it happen but he's busy with other, simpler features.
    You mean that no-one at your end has the knowledge then, hence the reason you're asking the coders on here for their expertise whilst you throw abusive insults at them. Numpty.


    Now there are no coders on this site and nobody that understands a god damn thing I think I can move on. I can now say, without a doubt, the people on this site is full of a bunch of ****ing pricks that just refuse to see improvement.
    God himself couldn't understand your ramblings.


    There are people getting a hold of this idea and wanting to try it, the only problem, they're actually smart enough to be and stay busy. You can go back to making stick flash games and ****ty apps that tell me what time it is.
    Still trying to figure out whether you are trolling or just supremely thick. I'm thinking the latter, personally.


    3. Allow that app to somehow access your local computer to allow your to fetch download links at gigabit speeds. (Far fetch'd but possible.)

    Then somehow we made it to this.

    1. Use P2P internet to increase MAXIMUM download speeds as part of a regular internet service. (As in for free...)

    2. Do all of this with an internet application instead of waiting for better technology from the ISP. (I don't give a **** about your personal awesome internet connection, it's expensive and unnecessary.)
    Where does this extra speed miraculously appear from then?


    3. Apply other ideas here: (I know it hurts the brain.)
    For you, possibly.


    It's not that hard of a concept and I've had to talk to about 20 good friends and a few people on the internet about this and I have yet to see the kind of ignorant resistance that comes from you people.
    Tell those geniuses to implement your idea then, as you all obviously have the imaginary know-how, knowledge and skills available. Or, could it just be another mindless idea thrown together by technically illiterate numpties? I know which I'm thinking is the answer...

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    we understand the idea, its not that hard and we are not quite as daft as you think.

    you (as a network administrator) don't seem to understand that you cant push gigabit speeds down a 1.5mb connection , when you can riddle me that then you will have my undivided attention, until then please feel free to rant and swear since it is highly amusing.
    resistance is...

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    See that list I made on my last post? Those are SEPARATE ideas, as in more than one. If one is possible then the next is simply because of the existence of the last.

    You can't sit here and tell me that an application can't be used to fetch download links for different kinds of online storage. Taking it from one place, and instead of downloading it to local storage using a service like pUT.iO to quickly place it in personal online space...how is that so incomprehensible?

    And if that's possible why can't I use that app to fetch download links to local storage at the pUT.iO speeds? As if my computer is that online storage service from before.

    And the P2P internet, don't worry about it too much, two things is already enough. But it's not that the extra speed is coming to you but kind of in a separate infrastructure. Something that you're always connected to....you know those flashing arrows on tracks in old racing games that make you go faster, the boosters? Like that, I know it's possible, don't tell me it's not. Kind of like the internet itself being faster through a separate service...

    Just try and wrap your heads around opening up a service like pUT.iO into a general use, not just for downloading torrents and media files. If one thing is possible, the next is, that's all there is to it.

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    I like your idea; I'll do it for $300.

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    OK, thorax232, maybe you could explain me then how I would access all the gigabytes of fetched data on my computer with 28Kbit/sec analog modem in a reasonable amount of time?

    Or, let me rephrase that question: Could you tell me how I would get all the gigabytes of data through my copper telephone cable in a few seconds?

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    I can't believe how much patience I have for you people. Let's do this Barney style. Step by step...

    Use pUT.iO to download large files to Amazon S3 without having to download then upload them. Giving Amazon S3 fetching capabilities...

    Tell me the that's not possible and we'll move on from there.

    Here's the same link from before: http://fr.put.io/service/api

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorax232 View Post
    Use pUT.iO to download large files to Amazon S3 without having to download then upload them. Giving Amazon S3 fetching capabilities...
    You didnít quite answer my question. What do I do with the gigabytes of data when I have moved them from server A to server B without downloading and uploading them? Say, I use your idea of a program to fetch a two hour long movie in HD quality from a movie site to any cloud storage without downloading and uploading it. How would I view that movie in the end?

    Maybe weíre all too stupid but according to my conception, as soon as youíre trying to view that movie on your computer, it has to be downloaded from the cloud or whatever, and stored on your computer. And thereís the point: If your cable/connection is slow the fastest program isnít of any use because thereís only so much capacity in your connection.

    So, whatís the point in fetching gigabytes of data from server A to server B when you canít use it?


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