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    Interesting observation

    Bad things in web design start with "F":
    Frames
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    Flash
    F#$%ing popups
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    lol... thats quite interesting.
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    but so does Forum!

    In a lot of cases flash is overused, but it can produce "wow" sites like: www.2advanced.com/flashindex.htm
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    yeah, the only of those that's inherently bad is the Nameless one ( i won't even type that F word ). Flash, Frames, Popups, they're all fine, they're just abused and misused. you can use any of those to good effect. it just requires a lot of thought, especially for frames.
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    People who criticise Flash are generally JavaScripters and DHTMLers, yet I don't hear any branding of these techniques as evil due to missues in mouse trails, flashing junk, flying junk, floating menues, popup windows, etc, etc.
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    Originally posted by mouse
    People who criticise Flash are generally JavaScripters and DHTMLers ... [edited to save further embarrasment]
    Touch&eacute;

    Hey but you forgot Foxhunting ... that's pretty evil; and Flamingos ... gotta watch them critters ... but Fennel is cool, as long as you're subtle with it ...

    Oh and there's <font> - now that really is inherently evil; I defy anyone to defend it ...
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    I am a DHTMLer :-} Why have an extra plugin when you can use 200000 lines of code to get a more changeable result?

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    I am a DHTMLer
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    a tad of JS and learning
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    Re: Interesting observation

    Originally posted by Vladdy
    Bad things in web design start with "F":
    Frames
    What's wrong with frames?!
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    Re: Re: Interesting observation

    Originally posted by Quiet Storm
    What's wrong with frames?!
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    *cough* *cough* flash rules *cough* ee emm excuse me

    Lets face it fellas.. a tool is a tool is a tool. I could make a massive list supporting flash but I think we've all been through this before. No matter where your preferences lie, there is good design and bad design. Very little to do with how you get there. It's all about the end user experience.

    ps what is up with those (ahhhhhhhhh i hate them!!!) unclosable popup windows that slide around the screen. What a terrible approach at design.. and so popular right now.. hates it we do.
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    Got to disagree with the frames part, more and more sites are designing them better, and utilizing them better when they use it.

    Flash -> Depending on what the site is there for... They could be overused...

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    Originally posted by brothercake
    1...Oh and there's <font>
    2...I defy anyone to defend it
    bro...
    1...just a lolin'® here...:O))) n' in just a whining® kinda voice...butttttt it gets just a longgg® sooo well with netscrap 4.7...hehehe


    2.../me just a takes® ya up on thattt offer...aka see 1...:O)))

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    I don't have the Flash player installed on my system but it's not the evils of website design that made me do that, instead it's the use of Flash in advertisements so instead of being able to quietly visit some web pages as you research something you get some obnoxious advertisement speaking to you, playing music (usually bad) to you, YELLING at you... and even popping up over the top of whatever you're actually trying to read.

    Other than that, Flash is no more evil than many of the other things put into web pages like splash pages (which is incidentally a major misuse of Flash), font tags, single browser code (use IE or suffer).


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