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    Web Design

    Well me and my friend were thinking about going into a web-design profession. I was wondering if you think we have what it takes, what do we need and etc...

    I made a real quick thing for an example to test me experience...
    http://www.vc-source.com/activedesigner/index.html
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    I've seen your work before, I think you have what it takes, but there are a lot of better people out there. Don't go into the already over populated market thinking you are on top, you will be shattered when you see a firm like www.2advanced.com ..

    Conclusion = GO for it, but get a real host/domain !
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    OH..... NO!!!!! That web-site I made when I first learned HTML.... I think I have improved MUCH since then, I made that site while I was still in HTML school!!! LOL!

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    Depends on what about web design you're going to do - here's a list of a few things that might help (a single person seldom needs all, but the customers often ask for all, and a little more)...

    An eye for design - you need to be good at matching colours, designing eye-candy images, judging effects of spacing and positioning, using text, fonts and graphics to achieve a look that is just right.

    An understanding of usability - judging when eye-candy should and should not be used, what usability problems some stylish designs can create, and how to avoid that.

    An understanding of accessibility - I'm really not the person to talk about this. You need to know the ideas behind it, so that you can avoid some of the problems bad accessibility may cause.

    Intimate knowledge of most web standards by W3C - or at least [HTML4], [CSS1], [CSS2], [DOM1]. Preferably also [XHTML1], [XML1], various other XML related technologies such as XSL, XSLT, XSLFO, XInclude, XLink, XPath, XForms, XFrames, XPointer. Possibly also SVG, SOAP etc.

    Knowledge of ECMAScript, and various implementations such as JavaScript.

    Knowledge of intra- and interbrowser differences, differences between browsers on different platforms - when it comes to HTML, XML, CSS, DOM and ECMAScript support. Knowledge of the plugins and plugin interfaces and the problems with them is also good to have.

    An understanding of the basic underlying technologies of the net, such as TCP/IP, DNS, HTTP, FTP, MIME-types, Cookies, different web-application interfaces, the capabilities of .Net, J2EE, Flash, ActiveX, Applets etc.

    You should know at least one serverside language, preferably several: ASP (VBScript, JScript, PerlScript and others), JSP, CF, PHP, Python, Perl etc. Administrative skills on Apache and IIS on Linux/Solaris and Windows. Knowledge of Java, Flash, C#, C/C++ might also be useful.

    Well, throw in Java and Flash again. Repeat Flash.

    Add SQL and some database managing and content managing.

    Oh, and I'm almost sure I forgot half...
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    this is a thing i made real quick http://www.vc-source.com/activedesigner/index.html

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    not bad, no DTD but not bad.

    really, i had this same question before, in the end i just jumped in.
    i managed a few sites without any financial involvment.
    then i did my first paid site, it was for someone at my work.
    word of mouth spread, and i actually got customers! can you believe it! but this is more of a hobby for me.

    anyway the point is, no matter how good you are, someone is better than you; count on it.
    with this in mind, dont worry about being better, do your best and the experience will get you far.

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    ....

    DAMN!!! I thought my site was good until I see the real sites........


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    Re: ....

    Originally posted by mattover-matter
    DAMN!!! I thought my site was good until I see the real sites........


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    You mean www.2advanced.com ? They rule!
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    Yeah? And so do www.whoswe.com


    tnt, your work does not show a lot of experience, and your creativity needs a lot of work too.

    I don't mean to sound harsh, but the colours are not at all professional, nor are the buttons in anyway.


    If you use images anywhere, they should show what you can do, so you need to make most of every image. Remember, a picture tells a thousand words.


    You seem to have some underlying talent in that mind of yours, flaunt it.


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    *sniff* *sniff*


    I guess I really do suck at webdesign...

    *sniff*

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    Originally posted by ionsurge
    Remember, a picture tells a thousand words.

    Not according to this picture
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    Originally posted by mattover-matter
    *sniff* *sniff*


    I guess I really do suck at webdesign...

    *sniff*
    awwwwwwwww...
    i'm sure the 2advanced designers were newbies themselves once...

    thickandthin, i agree with ion. if you did that 'real quick', you can probably work up some professional stuff in regular time. u might just have to work a bit hard tho. color schemes and layouts are important, don't let them look like an ol' run-of-the-mill thing.
    u'll grow with experience.

    God, who am i to say that? so far i have no professional experience myself... *sighhhhhhhhh*
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    Ok.... thanks for your comments, I just wanted to make a point Im not going for some as professional as those sites you guys mentioned because they have done big businesses like Ford.... etc... I am going for the small businesses like a restaurant or a small shop...
    Thanks again guys!

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    And the winner is: WeWorkForThem
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    Hi thickandthin...

    I hope that all of this hasn't discouraged you. All skills develop over time... just let it happen.
    Unfortunately you chose to ask for opinions... and you will always get opinions (but remember... that's all that they are. Just like mine! lol).

    liorean made a good point about the many different aspects of web development. You can't expect to be good at all of them, so try to focus and improve on the areas where you show talent and/or have an interest.

    And don't get "shattered" by the work of others (uh-oh... here she goes), since sometimes the wizard is just a guy behind a curtain. One of the "professional" sites used as an example in this thread actually uses tables for layout ("professionals" use tables for tabular data only) and it also uses nested tables (double-violation!).

    I see that you do the same... so does that make your site any less "professional" than the other?
    I suppose that all depends on one's opinion (wink).

    Just strive to learn proper technique and try to adhere to the standards (which ain't easy! lol).
    In the meantime, the "caliber" of your clients will match the caliber of your skills... and there is nothing wrong with that.

    good luck, keep a positive attitude, and use these forums to help build your skills.

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