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    Scary stuff ... what's next I wonder, "Intelligent Design Man"? "The Patent Protector"?

    Interesting how the ABCs at http://www.captaincopyright.ca/Kids/ABC.aspx don't include, "or making a personal copy of a CD"
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    burnt face man...

    Inappropriate link for CF audience.
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    I really don't think that's appropriate - remember this is a family audience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brothercake
    Interesting how the ABCs at http://www.captaincopyright.ca/Kids/ABC.aspx don't include, "or making a personal copy of a CD"
    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Copyright's ABCs
    Copyright protected works - Any original creative work, including books, music, CDs, maps, magazines, newspapers, DVD movies, and sheet music.
    I think that's what you were referring to. . .
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    Honestly, the original captain copyright link is more dangerous for kids to read than the other link that was there. This kinda thing sickens me becuase i know its not the occasional copying and sharing of music that is losing the industries money... that factor has always been there. Now its just that nothing good is being made anymore.

    Seriously, I wouldn't have even a tenth of the legally purchased albums I had if it wasn't for using filesharing as a way of knowing what I buy before I buy.

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    The whole thing about how filesharing is threatening the music industry is a load of donkey balls.
    People have been taping things off the radio and copying CDs for their mates for decades. The only reason they're cracking down on digital downloads is because they can. They couldnt do anything about people taping music from the radio or lending CDs to their mates but they can do something about filesharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyJ
    The whole thing about how filesharing is threatening the music industry is a load of donkey balls.
    People have been taping things off the radio and copying CDs for their mates for decades. The only reason they're cracking down on digital downloads is because they can. They couldnt do anything about people taping music from the radio or lending CDs to their mates but they can do something about filesharing.
    Well that's not quite true - there is truth in the claim that filesharing is threatening traditional industries, but not for the reasons they claim.

    It isn't new technologies that cost established industries money; it's established industries' inability|refusal to adapt to new technologies that cost them money. And not for the first time - the RIAA tried very hard during the 80s to get a tax levied on blank tapes, on the basis that people only buy blank tapes to copy music therefore they should get a kickback on the sales (failing to see, with typical ironic blindness, that such an act would effectively legitimise piracy!)

    And it doesn't really cost them what they claim - they're looking at the sales-value of illegally distributed material, which is obviously far far greater than the actual sales that would have taken their place - they're not actually losing the sales they claim.

    And there are other factors at work; music industry sales were in decline anyway, for a whole range of reasons.

    But fundamentally, the point they're missing is that individual consumers like you and me are not the problem; even if we do copies CDs for our mates and download stuff from bittorrent; we're just the tip of the iceberg.

    The real commercial threat is mass piracy, and DRM doesn't make any difference to that - it's just one more hack to find when you have that much money vested in it
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    i dont care what people think about file sharing.. it should continue.. not that i agree that work should be distributed for free but that it shows the industries they cant sell a cd for something like £20.. its stupid when they sell how many thousand of it???
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    I don't agree in that instance - i think £20 is pretty cheap for a CD, when you consider you're getting an original work of art (well, a print anyway!). And do remember that around 40% of that is retailers' profit.

    But the music industry can't meet demand, because physical distribution is a highly limited paradigm. You have to manufacture physical objects, package and distribute them, so it's only economic to do that if you have a decent market (or you think you will have)

    But electronic distribution can cater to niche markets. It doesn't matter that only a handful of people are only interested in particular content, when that content is virtually free to distribute.

    File sharing is only a threat to established industries for as long as they fail to embrace it. If they want to survive this threat long term, they must simply adapt, or die. The way to get ahead of pirates is to *be* ahead of pirates - to continually adapt and update to what people want; to offer fresh content with wide choice and no stupid digitial copy restrictions.


    It's just like artistry vs plagiarism - an artist need never fear a plagiarist, because an artist can just create something new; a plagiarist can only copy what artits's do, hence the artists are always one step ahead
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    you are aware that the current exchange rates mean that £20 GBP = $37 USD right? thats a lot of money to pay for a cd (or rather for the licence to use the material on a cd) granted i have never seen a music cd sold for that much (usually £12 - £15) but the point was its what stops the industry from jacking up the price at will.

    in mass production and distribution it only costs £0.20 or whatever to produce a cd, all its materials and then distribute it. the artists also dont generally see too much of the profit made between retailers, publishers and anyone inbetween.

    the fact is.. if you can get something for free, why pay? one person doesnt make that much difference but when hundreds of millions of people download things instead of paying for them it is a huge loss in profits. then again, most of those people wouldnt have considered buying the cds anyway they only got it because it was free.

    also there are ways to buy cds on a track by track basis over the internet so the argument that they arent embracing it is just plain wrong..

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    The trouble is, theyre also forgetting alot of obvious facts and either have surveyed a very bad demographic, or haven't surveyed (most likley).

    I download music from file sharing programs... If an artist has done a few good songs, I will buy their album. If not, then I probably wont listen to the song often/again anyway.

    I have a good haul of CD's from loads of different artists all stacked up, Queen, AC/DC, Guns n Roses, Metallica and just yesterday I bought "Best of the Eagles", while my mate bought "Octivarium" by Dream Theater.

    See what I said there? We went out and bought music CD's, without ever downloading any tracks online. We both like Dream Theater and I have listened to one of my parents Eagles CD's... Had I not heard any music by the Eagles previously, I wouldn't even have noticed the CD.

    Now take it to the digital world... A few years back my mate sent me 2 or 3 Metallica tracks that he had downloaded to see what I thought. I liked them, and found out what album they came from and bought it. Thats one sale that wouldn't have happened without filesharing. I loved the album (link) and so from there, i started buying other metallica albums... I now have 10 I believe, as well as a live performance DVD with the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra... In total ive spent probably £100 on CD's and media, all becuase someone downloaded 3 songs. Same holds true for much of the music I own.

    If somehow filesharing is brought to a stop (which it wont be), I think I will laugh... Becuase for someone like me who usually buys CD's anyway, it won't make a difference... The only people it will affect is the recording industries who will lose significant revenue with the element of filesharing not in place.

    Obviously, I don't want to see filesharing brought down at all. I dont believe downloading excessive amounts of music for free is right (unless you buy the CD's), however I also believe that you should have the right to do it providing you understand the consequences if caught. I don't think its right that recording industries are trying to force internet providers to filter or slow down torrent or similar traffic.

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    Yea the ISP thing is a bit weird though, the broadband revolution came about because of file sharing and file sharing in itself is perfectly legitimate. It's just a way of distributing files over the internet. GunZ Online uses bittorrent to distribute its updates (although it ONLY uses bittorrent and you have to download a whole new 150mb client at 20kB/s (as there is hardly anyone ever torrenting at the same time) every time they patch 1 file but then gunz doesnt have the best ideas in the way of networking.. which is why it doesnt work with NAT and you constantly get errors with the unreliable datagram protocol) and other games such as Pristontale distribute updates via http/ftp as well as bittorrent to take a load off their servers. I don't know of any large UK isps that have filtered or blocked file sharing though.

    The idea of songs being played on the radio or music channels such as mtv is pretty much to get people to hear what they like and go and buy it anyway and there are things online such as launch.com to listen to tracks but they tend to either only play you the first 20 seconds of a song or only have about 3 songs available for each artist. Radio and tv music channels arent on demand though so you cant just go and listen to stuff. It would be good if there was some site which played low quality songs that it thought you may like (quality good enough so you can get a feel for the music but not good enough for you to constantly hit their site instead of buying it) based on previous choises etc as well as having a large search database etc. Personally i have never had any music channels on tv as the sort of stuff they generally play isnt the sort of stuff i like. most of the people i know who watch mtv or wahtever just have it on a tv in the background wheras i dont have a tv in the background (actually at the moment i dont have a tv at all hehe) if i want to watch mtv i have to actually sit down and watch it.. has anyone tried watching mtv as if it were a real channel!?!

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    MTV isn't so much a channel as it is a hodgepodge of programming made to appeal to the standard hip-hopping teenager. There's one show I watch on the MTV network: Headbanger's Ball. And that's not even the real version it's a mash of metal, metalcore, hardcore, rock, and emo. Jamey Jasta not all that great either way.

    As for filesharing: Mass file sharing (e.g. full fledged piracy where you don't buy anything) isn't good. However, getting a few tracks to check out a new artist or a new album, that isn't too bad. In fact, a lot of my musical tastes stemmed from what I went out and found (either through filesharing or friends) rather than sitting back and letting MTV set my standards for me. Which is really sad because that's what a lot of kids do.

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    Emos can headbang? How do they do that.. put paracetamol infront of them and attach their head to the surface behind them with a spring so every time they try and OD they get pulled back? (I really want to see someone trying this now for some reason)

    PS im not anti-emo or anything its just fun to take the mick out of the ODing on paracetamol stereotype


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