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    Opera 8 Beta

    For those unfamiliar with where Opera is going with their next major release, check the changelog:
    http://www.opera.com/windows/changelogs/operabeta/

    Some notable bits:
    - Voice functionality is available for Windows 2000 and XP. (in built screen-reader + voice control for the user)

    - Support for CSS3 speech module (properties new to CSS3 are prefixed by "-xv-") and XHTML+Voice 1.2

    - Support for XMLHttpRequest. Also added support for XMLSerializer and DOMParser.

    - Support for DOM3 Load and Save. *** This is the W3C version of XMLHttpRequest. As far as I know, Op. are the first to implement it

    - Transparent background (wmode) support for plug-ins.

    - Changed calculated line height to be based on actual font size rather than specified font size. Woohoo!

    - Fixed handling of nested floats. Woohoo!

    - Several fixes related to bidirectional text support.

    - Allow mixing of background-position and keyword, in accordance with CSS2.1. About time!

    - Borders on text fields can be removed with CSS. Hmmm...Is that a Good Thing?

    - Improved handling of paged media.
    - Recognize "application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml" documents as handheld. Woohoo, just in time for the death of WAP

    So what to you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mindlessLemming
    • Support for CSS3 speech module (properties new to CSS3 are prefixed by "-xv-") and XHTML+Voice 1.2
    Not -opera- like they're suppose to? Tsk.
    Quote Originally Posted by mindlessLemming
    • Support for DOM3 Load and Save. *** This is the W3C version of XMLHttpRequest. As far as I know, Op. are the first to implement it
    Opera are usually ahead of the rest when it comes to implementing things. It's just a shame they haven't fixed the stuff they already have.
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    • Recognize "application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml" documents as handheld. Woohoo, just in time for the death of WAP
    That's a horrible looking MIME-type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemebond
    Not -opera- like they're suppose to? Tsk.
    That struck me as odd, too... What the heck is -xv- all about???
    Last edited by mindlessLemming; 01-14-2005 at 05:54 AM.

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    I'm thinking -xv- is for the XHTML+Voice thingy they got going, while -op- is for internal Opera doohickies.

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    Opera internal CSS extensions use -op-. IBM/Opera (IBM supplies the voice component) implementation of CSS3-to-be Speech uses -xv-. The reasons? Mainly that the -op- properties are their own extensions while they wanted something specific for CSS3-to-be that distinguishes it from their proprietary extensions. There's been discussions about the introduction of a -css3- vendor tag as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mindlessLemming
    Borders on text fields can be removed with CSS. Hmmm...Is that a Good Thing?
    Doesn't matter - "allow styling of forms" is a user preference
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    agreed. further, don't disallow it for responsible developers, just because it'll be abused by the irresponsible ones. i think in a few years (5 or so), the web will quiet back down, and there will be fewer people who don't have any common sense cluttering the web with poorly designed pages, for two reasons: i don't think the market will continue to bear poor designs (that is, companies will stop paying for crappy websites), and i think that as we get a little more technologically wiser, we'll begin demanding things that only a semantic web will be able to offer (not that i think the average user cares about the tech behind it, but they'll start wanting better, more specific search capabilities, and they'll want to access them from a wider range of clients). that's going to weed out the people who make all white form fields with no border, on a white background, with white text, and assign a font the user hasn't got installed just to top it off, because building sites in whatever semantic architecture evolves, will likely be beyond the capabilities of most wygiwyd editors.

    Edit: wow, that was really off-topic. sorry
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