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    sue music sharing people

    music companies to start suing those who have lots of music on p2p progs. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/interne....ap/index.html
    bsaically they will get the user information stated in the account agreement and use that to sue the downloaders. Thoughts, comments...can this really be done? I think its a load of crap and is pretty infeesable, they would need IPs and stuff...


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    Re: sue music sharing people

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    they would need IPs and stuff...
    Which they can get. If you're downloading from someone, you're connected to them. `netstat`, bam. Got their ip.

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    but most IPs are dynamic...so how whould it work then? Take that to the service provider and then look at their logs and then to the user?

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    once they traced it back to the ISP then you would be as good as caught cause they could trace it back to you from that point. i dont really like it but hey what can you do?

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    Out of the what 3 -4 million users usually on at any given time they are going to stop illegal filesharing by tracking down a few people? Yeah right. First of all if the user not a U.S. citizen then unless your government is ready to hand you over to a U.S. law firm for downloading a few mp3 files then I don't think you have anything to worry about. An attempt to stop illegal music trading in this manner is like trying to cut down a redwood tree with a pocketknife. Not gonna happen. All these people will end up doing is irritating a lot of people and probably make themselves a target of hack attacks.
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    They think they're making an example of heavy sharers. What rubbish though, people hav been sued before over Napster, and before that when some kid uploaded all his mp3s... maybe record companies should charge less for CD's.
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    I would like to see the total dollar amount the record industry claims to be losing compared to the amount of music that is being shared. I think they are trying to make an example of people as well. The RIAA should just setup something like imusic but for ms and linux. If they would introduce alternatives there maybe a percentage of people that would pay 99c for a song (since most albums now only have about 1-2 good songs). p2p has gone on so long that there is no way some people would start paying for their CD's or software. It would take years to recondition people to realize that just because you can download to it does not mean that it is actually free.

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    Originally posted by Spookster
    First of all if the user not a U.S. citizen then unless your government is ready to hand you over to a U.S. law firm for downloading a few mp3 files then I don't think you have anything to worry about.
    Yeah right ... like no-one in the US would possibly dream of trying to sue someone abroad for doing something which isn't illegal in the country they live in ...

    It needs to be said - there is absolutely no evidence that illegal filesharing is doing anything to reduce CD sales - CD sales have fallen while P2P networks have grown, and that may suggest a connection, but it doesn't prove one - the evidence is entirely circumstantial.

    Indeed, afaik the only direct research into the subject, done by Gartner, suggested the opposite - that CD sales have been steadily falling anyway, due largely to the increase in console games - and that filesharing has actually propped up what would otherwise have been a much bigger dip.

    I have personal experience to back that up - by chance I came across the name "Vanessa Carlton" a while ago, and decided to check her out (beautiful girl; fantastic voice; but her songs are a bit immature). It was only because her website offered full-version demos of some of the songs that I was able to decide I liked it, and ending up buying the album and four of her singles - had I not been able to hear it before buying, I would never have bought it at all.

    And there are other artists I've heard, but not bought anything buy them, because I can't find any tunes on the net, and their own websites just offer 20 second clips that don't give you any idea. Record co.s need to back off and offer free, full-version samples - there's no direct threat because streaming audio is nothing like the quality of a CD.
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    tis why its good to have an anonymous proxy i think that it would be unfeesable because they would spend so much on lawyers, the tirals would take so long, and the compensation would be pretty slim from each person that they would abandon. all this stuff about them infecting or hacking your computer is quite scary though. i think that if hey tried that though. A) they would get hacked by loads of unhappy people, B) they would get sued for accidental hacks (someone who had the original for example)
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    Originally posted by brothercake
    Yeah right ... like no-one in the US would possibly dream of trying to sue someone abroad for doing something which isn't illegal in the country they live in ...
    Case in point....I won't post his site due to the cracks being available there but there was a guy awhile back in the news was a guy living in russia that would crack macromedias trial software every single time they come out with a new way to prevent it. Macromedia had a team of lawyers that kept emailing and sending letters to this guy threatening him with lawsuits and jail terms and the guy kept replying to those emails and letters and saying basically "yeah whatever, come and get me. haha". He was professional about his replies though and the point is no matter what threats the lawyers from the US made, they could not touch him because the laws in russia allowed for this guy to do the stuff he did in the name of education or something like that.
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    True ... but they tried didn't they ... they tried very very hard to make him accountable under US law.

    Remember this - and I'm very very serious here - the rule of International law no longer means anything, because Bush has openly declared contempt for it. If the US government decides that filesharing is serious enough, they will quite happily march militarily into foreign countries and arrest people for breaches of US law.
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    sounds like the IT equivelant of switzerland for banks!

    one of my friend's step dads recently prosecuted microsoft for a software company(in france btw). I think he won buy a long shot wouldnt be hard either
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    The UK are passing laws that will mean extradition on demand, without the prosecuting council even having to provide evidence against the accused. This won't work two ways, as US citizens are superior to those of us out side America, US citizens are notoriously hard to extradite and of course can't be tried for war crimes in the ICC. So not only is this bad for file sharers, but if you consider many of the largest filesharers are US based, it's also bad for non-American companies who might like to take the same course of action.
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    If they somehow do shut down p2p progs which is as likely as having a pig fly right past my windows as I type, streamloading will simply take its place.

    Its a futile attempt by an industry that is being supported by those who wish to pay the price of music cd's today.

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    By the way, I wonder how many people are going to get sued, who cannot afford to pay for legal fees/costs.

    Those who cannot will have to be sent to jail, of bailiffs produce an insufficuent result. Jails would eventually become filled with people who distribute files over the internet. What are they going to do next, crack down on warez sites, which are more costly to companies than music distribution?

    I do buy my music, yes, but no matter how peeved you can be at p2p apps, it will be impossible to stop.

    My employer forkes out literally thousands of pounds to pay for our programs (never mind the actual workstations), including SoftImage | XSI, Maya, 3D Studio Max, Plasma 3D, Combustion, Smoke, Renderman, Photoshop, Lightwave, Cinema 4D, Pro/Engineer Wildfire, AutoCAD, MasterCAD, Paint Shop Pro, Bryce, Corel Draw, Macromedia Flash, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Freehand, Adobe Illustrator, the list goes on and on. We pay for licenses for our software, whereas others freely download them from p2p apps. It is annoying, but it cannot be stopped, and will never be stopped. It is a fact of life, some go the quicker way, others go the hard way.


    As for the suing, pheh.
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    Originally posted by brothercake
    they will quite happily march militarily into foreign countries and arrest people for breaches of US law.
    I'm gonna tell my buddies at the agency to put you at the top of the list.
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