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    Serious Help needed! This is even a bit personal!

    Some of the real life problems have led me use some of you people's skills and knowledge. A person whom I had good relationship with, commited fraud and ran away from my home country! The person has set some of my family members in trouble. That person is already "Wanted" in this country for fraud. We (our family) want to find him since its our only way to get ourselves out of trouble!

    What we know?
    01. His email address
    02. He checks emails regularly
    03. He uses "Hotmail"!

    How can you all help?
    I've thought a lot for a while and then had a plan. The email address cannot be traced since he does not send email to anyone. With the help of you guys, we can let him visit a web site which will eventually take his IP address. If there are other ways to get his ip address or to TRICK him, you all are welcome. I must know IP in order to get information about his country and city etc...with the software "Where Is IP" I will get the information. This is more then enough for us to physically get him!

    This no joke! there are some matters we have to take in our hands and this is the time I wanna show my family that technology is not WEAK!

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    I'm sory to hear about your problems, but your plan doesn't feel right; tricking people into something.
    + the stronger the technology, the stronger your moral principles should be. Just my opinion, of course.
    What's more, i don't see how to actually do it. He/she would have to do more then reading a mail. He should at least fire a request to the server that hold the IP-registering page. But i can't imagen it would be a "register my IP" link or so, so it would be willingly tricking people into something they don't want. He/she will probably be very careful about opening links or hitting buttons (and automatically fiering a request would be a step to far). But even then. You'd need to register the referal (remote host) and i don't know if the server he'll pass through will send this in there header. If you don't get the refering page/server, it wount be possible. Other people ending up on this page would also be logged and how would you know which log entry is the one from the person you're looking for? And even if you get the IP, it could be fixed, or it could be a dynamic IP.

    All providers need to log the activity and store these logs for a given period, so official authoritys have the possebility to track him down.

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    why should we believe you? you pop up here and ask if we can get an ip for you :| how do we know your not trying to trojan somone, trying to scare them.

    anway, if you aren't the big fat liar you look like, his ip probably changes every time he connects, and that would be if he has a personal computer, because if hes hiding he would probably use a public computer or at least a proxy to connect to the internet.

    anyway how do you know he checks his email if he skipped the border and doesn't send any?

    IMO your a liar and breaking the TOS, go get banned.
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    Exclamation hmmmmm...

    It does not matter if its dymanic or static since, I will be able to get the information about the ISP in anyways. Its the ISP's location that I'm concerned with. The ISP's location is the physical place where we have to physically begin our search with the help of cops or who ever.

    More about them...
    That person I'm talking about ran away with his family members including wife and 4 children. One of the child has serious habit of Internet and is reading emails in his "INBOX" since our test emails are not back to us with error of "Delivery Failed" and so on status notifications. The main person who commited fraud does not have any knowledge of information technology. These people are not that smart as long as I personnaly got chance to know them for plenty of years. They do basic tasks such as check emails, surf NET, Chat on Messengers, and do whatever they can.

    About doing more... If she clicks on ONE link (with trap page) I can get the rest information as I said in earlier page. My main concern is to know their city and country not the EXACT place. This is the matter for physical search with law. but before I say anything to Cops, I must have strong powers with me.

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    This is the bad part of the NET

    When people really needs help this is what happens.... not many people beleive them. Some matters are serious. If I got successful I'll firstly notify this forum with the actual photos with Cops and all.

    This world is based on trust when it comes to business. I at this point can't convince you people of what these people have done in our life. Imagine paying a bank a sum of 140000$ for nothing. Anyways, This artice from our local news company may give you some evidence of my truth!

    http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/New...rticleID=82310
    Last edited by Oxtie; 05-28-2003 at 03:28 PM.

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    If your a liar or not is beside the point.

    It would be unethical and probably in sore respect illegal to deliberitely set up a scheme to get his IP. I for one wouldn't do it for myself and certainly not for someone else i don't even know.
    Anyway, this is a forum about codingproblems, not some sort of internet police service.
    We are here to help other coders.

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    are the police/cops involved?

    you see you could hand over the details, and he could be tracked, as hotmail users servers and hotmail staff must be able to see who logged in etc. and they will have web logs. so i would pass on the details to the police, and let them deal with it.

    or you could use another slightly way off getting his ip address, but then in court you look a bit stupid when they ask how you tracked the person down.

    so my advice is you pass on the details to the cops and they will contact microsoft and find him or they will perform the trick.

    If you do get his IP by tricking him and the cops don't know/advise it I wouldn't you see, you could find a method of catching IP's and then get the cops to send the email = you not in the equation for looking stupid in court.


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    Last edited by scroots; 05-28-2003 at 06:38 PM.
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    you see some people will be reluctant as you should look before you leep. and when it involves law it does concern people about what they do.

    My people have ethics about that they should use there skills for the work of good and not for the work of evil in disguise.

    My advice is you find out what the cops think/recommend about you tricking him to get his ip.

    After all you could end up crupting a case.

    Also to assume is to be wrong, never assume nothing.

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    assumptions are the mother of all f&%$ ups... so be careful.


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    Re: hmmmmm...

    Originally posted by Oxtie
    since our test emails are not back to us with error of "Delivery Failed" and so on status notifications.
    That doesn't mean he is reading them. It just means that the account exists.
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    unless he has it on subscription it needs to be signed into every 30 days to keep it existing. Who is to say he isn't paying a mate to keep the account active?


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    Best chance to find this person... hire a good private investigator.

    Better yet, hire two (but don't let either one know about the other). They'll find you all the information you need. Each investigator may find different information, but it will all be useful to the police.

    Personally, I agree with Whackaxe - you're trying to scam someone. But if not, then there's your best information source(s).

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    Exclamation Lets see...

    My basic idea was to track these people down through my knowledge and present the proof and get the guy arrested. But the way I see it now, you people probably think I'm tring to screw someone up. I can't contact cops first becuse they are after us firstly for the "problem" created by the guy who ran away... I can't go to courts/cops... they can't help me since this is a matter of abroad country and as long as I know, Interpol will not mess with it until it since its not a serious crime such as "Murder", "Terrorsim" etc.... my guess is that cops are limited to this country only. I'm not yet sure that this country's government has ties with the country where that guy is. So something tells me that I and my family have to take this guy physically first and then convince the local government. He is indeed wanted by major "Banks", "Private Companies" and obviously "Cops". Private investigator will indeed do all things that we are tring do right now.

    If I can be successful in this matter on my own, I don't NEED others (Investigators, Detectives and so on).

    My next step, I will hire a website, upload a page full of traps and then send them an email which will shock them and eventually let them visit the website and we will sue them!

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    Thanks for your no help

    I guess I have to get through official channels but I will try once more....

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    if he has ripped of banks etc. they will be after him, you can go to the police and explain it all and when they do arrest him, it will help you get out the nick.

    do it offically and your butt isn't on the line.

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