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    Is Apple taking the right road?

    Lately I'm frustrated by the fact that Apple has gone solely to an OS X operating system.

    However attractive -- and a programmers dream -- I can barely use the 20 some odd programs in classic mode as efficiently as in a native OS 9.

    This very issue has stopped me from buying a new computer this year -- and I may very well try to buy a used, top o' the line, G4 with OS 9 in the system so as to save myself for a few years.

    Apple has always been stupid in the market game for computers (though their new methods of selling music seem to be more important than building a strong system - their excelling in the 'iLife' as they say), but what do any of you mac (and PCers) think?

    Please, no Mac vs. PC arguements... that'll take forever, and it's just a matter of taste

    I just wonder how some of the mac users here feel about the changes going on.

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    Whatever's right or wrong, Apple will take some odd route nobody understands. There's talk of them using AMD cpu's in future, I dunno what their game plan is but they don't want to become too PC-like, even if it does reduce component cost. I suspect they want to attract game publishers, this would be inline with the AMD cpu theory as Mac's are currently rubbish for games...as well as everything else, lol.

    OS X might very well be a reason for many users to get themselves a reasonably priced piece of PC action, saying that, Apple aren't the only ones; Macromedia software is now OS X only is it not?
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    These changes are wanting me to buy an iBook, if that means anything.

    (I've been on a PC for 9 years now.)

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    All the OS X only programs will still work native in OS 9 -- Macromedia's MX version all work fine under OS 9 without even having OS X on the system.

    Mostly, the program problems are not with the web stuff -- it's the print for us designers here. OS X does some wacky stuff to print drivers and fonts (even Suitcase 10 hasn't fixed many of my font loading errors from crashing). Older programs like Fontographer and procreate Painter can't go to OS X well -- and Quark's lazy @#$%'s still haven't made a native version of OS X (though it takes them 5 years to make an update).

    AMD cpu's? Oh great -- well, when I open my Mac up -- aside from seeing many motorola logos, I see a few IBM ones now and then as well, so who knows.

    Yeah, I've thought of getting a PC, but I really have had horrible problems with working on ones for graphics programs and large file sizes (even on supped up computers). In the end, though overpriced, the Mac has always been more stable for me in the graphics realm.

    Hey, the ibooks are cool - the older more annoyingly colored ones were great because you could beat them up and nothing would happen to them. The new ones are too elegent and sensitive for that.

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    I've just been reading the apple website actually and it's a joke in many ways. They seem to want to hide the spec whilst coming out with ludicrous statements like:
    This turbocharged Power Mac rips through digital video and 3D projects faster than Pentiums can say “uncle.”
    Hmmm, that's why Discreet and friends don't support the Mac whilst optimising for Intel platforms? I'd love to see any Mac against dual hyperthreaded Xeons in a fair 3D rendering benchmark.
    You can fill it with 2 GB of high-speed DDR SDRAM, get it with a 4x SuperDrive that’s twice as fast at burning DVDs,
    High speed? how fast is "high"? very slow one suspects compared to the dual channel DDR advancements being made on the pc platform. And the SuperDrive is twice as fast at burning DVD's than what?
    Short data pipeline
    All processors complete their tasks in a series of steps or stages, referred to as the processor pipeline. These steps include fetching, decoding and storing data and executing instructions. And here’s where the PowerPC G4 processor demonstrates its overriding advantage over Pentium 4 systems: The PowerPC G4 was designed with a short 7-stage pipeline, while the Pentium 4 processor has to cycle instructions through 20 stages. Because of its shorter pipeline, the superefficient PowerPC G4 accomplishes a task in 13 fewer steps than the Pentium 4.
    13 few steps huh? well Pentiums are quad pumped so effectively they have a 5 stage pipeline not to mention 2 cycle cache latency (transpiring to 19gb/s bandwidth) an 800MHz, 6.4gb/s bus... P4 and AMD threads are 32bits long, Mac 128bit. so unless you're talking floating point then Mac loses...

    You're right about Apple marketing, it sucks. They assume ignorance in their customers. AMD have grounds to attack Intel in their marketing, their claims can be backed up by any user and a copy of SiSandra/3Dmark/pcmark/etc. Apple should bear in mind that Intel are massive, they invented the microprocessor and are at the forefront of the technology, few believe the marketing hype around Mac's and their architecture, by bringing Intel into almost every paragraph on their spec sheet they're planting a seed they maybe shouldn't be planting.

    I don't think you've much to worry about on OS X, my brother uses a Powerbook with OS X and seems to like it. If you feel you have problems go PC, build the PC you want, open yourself to masses of software, upgradeable hardware and unquestionable compatibility.

    Sorry if I'm Mac-bashing but it's hard to escape Apple's misinformation and somewhat arrogant marketing.
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    No bashing is fine -- and it's just as well to us Mac users. We have 40 macs here, maybe 10 PC's -- I remember when our old macs would last through a rain storm... now, since I've had this G4, replaced two harddrives and had numerous full system installs.

    It is speedy for my programs (though it doesn't hold it's waters to what you have listed below)... but I am losing faith.

    Too bad Apple doesn't spend more time building quality work as compared to making online music easy to buy.

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    I really like OS X. I hated OS 8 and 9, but OS X is excellent. It's like the Linux you can't get - the one that has the sense to keep all that /dev/etc/ business out of the finder ... but of course it's all still there in the terminal.

    It's just a damn shame that it only runs on overpriced proprietary hardware. OS X for x86 ... now that would be something special

    But I have a Mac and a PC; the PC is my home while the Mac is like a quirky little house at the bottom of the garden; and that's good - it's a cute little house and I like going there, but I wouldn't wanna live there all the time.
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    I like that

    My world of the print designer is bottle-necked with macs... we choose to live in that quirky little home.

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    Apple has been on the wrong track for a long, long time. They missed the boat back when Jobs refused Gates when Bill begged him to port the MacOS to the Intel platform because BG wanted to get out of the OS business. SJ always thought of Apple as a hardware company but their best work has always been in their software, their hardware has always been overpriced and usually (but not always) slower. Other than the processor chip these days the Mac resembles the PC more than it ever did before and yet it's still overpriced, just making their systems less expensive would result in an improvement in their market share.

    SJ had a great opportunity dropped into his lap years ago and still refuses to acknowledge that he made a mistake and therefore still refuses to do anything that might indicate a change of mind.

    Just think how much different the world of computing would be today if Jobs had ported the MacOs and Microsoft had achieved their goal of exiting the OS business so they could concentrate on their Applications business.
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    Mouse,

    Thats what you get when you have sales people write the technical speel...

    Roy,

    So true, so true...

    I remember when IBM and Apple got together to introduce a Computer that would run as a MAC but also be able to run the Windows OS itself... Turned out to be nothing more than a pumped up MAC with and Intel daughterboard added for the x86 portion... Since it was a daughterboard and since the bus wasn't completely utilised by it, you can imagine the performance hit that the intel processor took... The MAC portion ran fine while the Intel portion was, lets just say, I've seen snails swim faster...

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    I remember that little keynote -- everyone was up in arms about the merger... then Mac clones came out, and then Steve Jobs bought those companies back out, and put the mac back into a single company market.

    In all honesty, though it seems as lately they've been putting more aggression into their software than their hardware -- I would love to be able to buy a cheaper machine that runs my Mac software. I'm tired of buying a G4 for 1700, then three months later, a higher end model comes out at 1700, then another... and another...
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    i can just say that macs arent popular in france. in shops and stuff, you just don't see them around. i can't believe that they're still around!
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    Really? Not even with the Graphic Designers in France? Does Apple even do marketing in France?

    Honestly, with American Capitalism, Euro Disney, McDonald's, and our imperial aggression to police the world with our own morals, I wonder why
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    P.S -- just a little additive... in the past two weeks I've gone through 3 harddrives - because of an HSF Wrapper issue. Seems as though this little toy was put in to communicate with elder Mac OS's (8 and under), from what Apple says. It starts to drag my computer, then pops me a warning that I need to back up and reformat my harddrive. DiskWarrior will fix it over and over again, and then it just dies. I'm pissed
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    i'm talking about the home owner. i think that graphic desingner probably use acs but on the home owner end you only get winodws schmindows
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