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    Internet Explorer loses market share again

    Internet Explorer has lost market share almost every month for the last 3 years.
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    Internet Explorer 68.15%
    Firefox 21.34
    Safari 7.93
    Chrome 1.04
    Opera 0.71
    Netscape 0.57
    Other 0.24

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    No real surprise there, and with the antitrust abuse notice Microsoft received:

    http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/37419

    that'll do nothing to help Microsoft either

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    IMV, if the consumer is to have a choice, then such bundling is wrong. If the bundled software was good, it wouldn't need to be bundled - we would choose to have it.

    And I also think that if we had genuine choice, browsers of all sorts would be used and they would ALL have to adopt the web standards fully and in the same spirit making the web designers job a lot easier. But that would mean IE would have to build a browser that was equal to the rest, which would require a rebuild (Hence the bundling, I think).


    I recall a friend who was considered by many of her friends to be computer savvy. she thought that when you clicked on the aol icon to go online, that that was the (only) browser!!
    She was amazed, baffled and stunned ~ all at once ~ when I showed her the IE icon and she could find many many more sites. (2003)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazz View Post
    I recall a friend who was considered by many of her friends to be computer savvy. she thought that when you clicked on the aol icon to go online, that that was the (only) browser!!
    She was amazed, baffled and stunned ~ all at once ~ when I showed her the IE icon and she could find many many more sites. (2003)

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    I'm sure that's what everyone thought at one time. The program was the internet

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    I'm not so surprise too. There are so many new freeware which running faster and have so many good feature. Although I'm still using IE, I believe FF will be the market leader in the coming years.

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    I don't think anyone will ever take over market share from MS, it will take a revolutionary piece of software / technology for this to happen.

    As is usually the case when these things do happen, its not one of the big companies that pioneer it, normally a smaller company with a good idea, historically MS buy them out. go figure
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    Quote Originally Posted by borntoslow View Post
    I don't think anyone will ever take over market share from MS
    Since Firefox was introduced 4 years ago, IE market share has dropped from 96% to 68%. In Europe it's around 54%.

    EU files antitrust charges against Microsoft over IE
    The European Union's antitrust agency on Saturday confirmed that it has charged Microsoft with breaking the law, saying that the company "shields" Internet Explorer (IE) from "head-to-head competition" by bundling its browser with Windows.

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    I hate IE as much as the next web developer, but these anti-trust issues are just silly. No one is forcing anyone to use Windows; there are a number of alternatives out there that don't bundle IE. Microsoft should be able to shape their product (Windows) in any way they want; it's the consumer who can then choose to avoid the product if it is determined to be unsatisfactory.

    Too much gov't big brother intrusion. Let the market sort it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumigator View Post
    No one is forcing anyone to use Windows; there are a number of alternatives out there that don't bundle IE.
    Tell that to QuickBooks users, a number of banks and stock trading software users.
    Microsoft should be able to shape their product (Windows) in any way they want; it's the consumer who can then choose to avoid the product if it is determined to be unsatisfactory.
    True, except when a product becomes a monopoly. There the rules are different.

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    Both OSX and Linux have Windows emulators, and there are non-Windows alternatives to Quickbooks and other custom software. People still feel locked into using Windows when that is simply not the case anymore.

    Now I'm not saying that the non-Windows solutions are better, or just as diverse, or just as economical, but there are non-Windows solutions, and if you or a corporation decides to use Windows based on something besides what is bundled with it, that's fine and great. Just don't claim to be a victim of a monopoly after your decision.

    The worst thing to do is choose an operating system (using free will, either on a person level or a corporate level) and then complain about what is bundled with it. The more of us (along with corporations) who decide Windows is a raw deal and go with something else, the more motivation M$ will have to do things differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumigator View Post
    Both OSX and Linux have Windows emulators
    The average person will not use those and who wants to install software to run software? That's making things more difficult
    and there are non-Windows alternatives to Quickbooks
    Oh? Name one that does payroll for small to medium businesses that they can afford that also interfaces to equivalent services QuickBooks offers, such as automatic withholding by state, updated annually. Tell those of us who run Tradestation software for stocks that our software runs on Linux through Wine or that there is an equivalent.
    Now I'm not saying that the non-Windows solutions are better, or just as diverse, or just as economical, but there are non-Windows solutions
    Doesn't sound like it.
    Just don't claim to be a victim of a monopoly after your decision.
    That's not the definition of a monopoly.
    The more of us (along with corporations) who decide Windows is a raw deal and go with something else, the more motivation M$ will have to do things differently.
    And there is the problem with a monopoly where you cannot go somewhere else. Microsoft has already lost this case three times in the past and are up for their fourth. Methinks there must be smoke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drhowarddrfine View Post
    Tell that to QuickBooks users, a number of banks and stock trading software users.True, except when a product becomes a monopoly. There the rules are different.
    what about "No one controls my life"?

    http://www.codingforums.com/showthre...753#post767753

    what is true for ms is not true for google or others?

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    Whine whine whine... either use Windows or don't, I don't give a crap. I find you are arguing just to win, not to have an open exchange of ideas. You may not be aware, but breaking down someone's post into individual quotes and then rebutting each sentence one at a time is considered a form of flame, or at least incendiary in nature, giving the impression that your main focus is to go "nuh-uh" to everything said. I'm not saying don't do it, it's not my place to say that, but I find it annoying and I'll make a point of refraining from direct response to your posts in the future to avoid such posts.

    p.s. Quickbooks is available in OSX and a google of "tradestation for mac" gave me several leads to alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumigator View Post
    You may not be aware, but breaking down someone's post into individual quotes and then rebutting each sentence one at a time is considered a form of flame, or at least incendiary in nature, giving the impression that your main focus is to go "nuh-uh" to everything said.
    It's a mail list habit and is usefull to answer clear to the problems/question without skipping accidentaly some points. I never see this untill now how you describe it,

    It's like a knife, you can use it to eat or to kill depend on who use it and for what,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumigator View Post
    You may not be aware, but breaking down someone's post into individual quotes and then rebutting each sentence one at a time is considered a form of flame, or at least incendiary in nature, giving the impression that your main focus is to go "nuh-uh" to everything said. I'm not saying don't do it, it's not my place to say that, but I find it annoying and I'll make a point of refraining from direct response to your posts in the future to avoid such posts.
    Long Paragraph..... Anyhows that's one point I have to disagree with you on. Some people may agree with some of your points, while disagreeing with others, or just wish to point out exactly which bit they're having issues with, and doing that makes it clear what they're agreeing/disagreeing with
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