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    IE usage drops again as Firefox usage increases

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    Firefox approaches 21% usage while IE drops below 70% according to Netcraft. They also show the areas that FF usage has crossed the 50% usage mark.

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    That would be great if my users came from those countries...but still good news overall. People are realizing there are other browsers and that they can upgrade, slowly but surely.

    Sure I hate working with IE6, and IE7 wasn't the perfect upgrade, but it was a big leap. I know we as developers often want to claim FF superiority, but consider this. If Microsoft can market their IE8 version, and keep production on the next generation going, I likely see them stemming the tide and making a solid stance.

    Why? Well there are still so many users who don't realize that IE isn't the internet, and that there are other options. So if they can make a better browser and market it for users to upgrade, then they can clamp down on the competition. They do have the money, the software, and the developers on their side.

    We also decry a lot about how Microsoft is dragging, failing to keep up with the competition, and producing lousy systems, but they have also proven to be leaders in the computing world. The competition from FF, Opera, Chrome, is likely only to cause Microsoft to invest more in its technology. I actually see it as a matter of time before IE becomes the preferred browser in development again, unless the IE direction drops drastically.

    All that said: I love FF and just can't stand the IE7 interface. So don't worry I love FF, but taking a look at this from outside of the developer world makes me think that my scenario is very possible.
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    Firefox and Chrome, next versions coming out, will have javascript engines up to 8x faster than IE8. And I might have that wrong, it might be 40x faster.

    In the meantime, Windows internet users dip below 90% for the first time.

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    But if you try to think like the 'average internet user' they have NO idea what that means, nor will it matter to them. If its easy to use, works, and works well with their system, they will use it. Just my thoughts though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremywilken View Post
    But if you try to think like the 'average internet user' they have NO idea what that means, nor will it matter to them. If its easy to use, works, and works well with their system, they will use it. Just my thoughts though!
    So if every site in the world redirected an IE user to an error message, telling them to get FF...

    We could eradicate IE?

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    Yeah I worked with this deaf guy at the county and it blew his mind when I showed him FF. He just couldn't wrap his head around the idea that you can look at webpages without using IE. Part of the problem was his desktop was covered with URL shortcuts.. literally dozens and dozens of links all over the desktop, meticulously arranged. Across two monitors. That was his bookmarking system. To go to another page he would shut down IE and double-click on another URL shortcut.

    So when FF took over, all those icons changed to the FF icon and I guess that shorted out the fuse in his brain because he just couldn't recover from that visual change.

    I tried to show him how cool tabs were and how they worked... after about 10 minutes of that I just uninstalled FF and apologized for wasting his time.

    Later I snuck back to his computer, right-clicked on the desktop and clicked "Arrange Icons By", "Auto-Arrange". (just kidding but that would have been pretty funny if he had a sense of humor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremywilken View Post
    But if you try to think like the 'average internet user' they have NO idea what that means, nor will it matter to them. If its easy to use, works, and works well with their system, they will use it. Just my thoughts though!
    That's what I mean. If they visit a site and parts of it run a lot faster, it may be noticed and/or appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremywilken View Post
    If its easy to use, works, and works well with their system, they will use it. Just my thoughts though!
    That’s true. For the same reason Safari is the most used browser on Apple computers. It’s just there by default and it works. Why should the average Mac user care for a different browser?

    You can’t change the masses’ customs unless you’re the Communist Party of China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIPStephan View Post
    You can’t change the masses’ customs unless you’re the Communist Party of China.
    Firefox was introduced just 4 years ago and has taken over 20% market share, mostly from IE, so I guess you can.

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    So if every site in the world redirected an IE user to an error message, telling them to get FF...
    Sounds like a good game plan to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Millenia View Post
    So if every site in the world redirected an IE user to an error message, telling them to get FF...

    We could eradicate IE?
    No, we'd cause a pandemic over Internet failures. Realize how many of those 'average Internet users' have no idea what FF is.

    Example: my family. I've tried, trust me I've tried, to convince them to use FF. I installed it, I set it as the default, its in their quick launch toolbar, start menu, desktop, and yet they find that sticky old IE icon somewhere buried in the Start menu...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millenia View Post
    So if every site in the world redirected an IE user to an error message, telling them to get FF...

    We could eradicate IE?
    Except I like my IE.

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    In what way? For web developers IE is pitiful. I can see some users liking it for surfing but I don't know what advantages there would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremywilken View Post
    No, we'd cause a pandemic over Internet failures. Realize how many of those 'average Internet users' have no idea what FF is.

    Example: my family. I've tried, trust me I've tried, to convince them to use FF. I installed it, I set it as the default, its in their quick launch toolbar, start menu, desktop, and yet they find that sticky old IE icon somewhere buried in the Start menu...
    You just have to do it right. Get rid of the icon in the start menu, change all icons to match the IE icon. You could even keep it named as Internet Explorer. On top of that style it to look like IE.

    I've done it and my family now uses it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drhowarddrfine View Post
    In what way? For web developers IE is pitiful. I can see some users liking it for surfing but I don't know what advantages there would be.
    I like it. It has colored tabs. It has multithreaded tabs. It's prettier than Firefox's default. That's all I'm really concerned about. I'm a web designer, but, to be honest, I've dropped support for IE 6 and IE 7 really isn't *that* bad.


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