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    I've been told that the thanks system will be reimplemented as well although I'll use this as a shameful push to accept the reputation system instead
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fou-Lu View Post
    You guys are doing much better than I. With my admin account I cannot even view some of the forums anymore since there's some db error that appears to be linked to administrator functionality :/

    I've put in a request for a couple of the default themes that were available with the 4.x version of the software. The basic one isn't green, but just the flat greyish colours, which is fine and there was another pretty nice blue one similar to this. I was hoping it would have been kept; the original design sure did break the new forum though; bad enough I had to use the control panel to set my user back hah.
    Testing was very limited for sure; the staff on this forum didn't have any input for the design of the forums, and we didn't even know we were looking at an upgrade until a couple of weeks ago. I'm glad we had a software upgrade, but I wish we had a few more days for testing. Admittedly though, a lot of the problems I see right now didn't exist at all in the testing environment, even with the clone of the db.

    We'll need to start on functionality first and foremost. Once we get a repair run on some of the tables and see some of these db errors disappear, then we can address some of the other issues as well. Some of the ones you've pointed out rnd have always existed: the forum names haven't change for example. Cookies have always been an issue as well, there was a time where the www was both used and not used, so that sure was frustrating

    It is beginning to look as though this (negative) upgrade is turning into a catastrophe. Database errors abound. There are perhaps 25 key contributors who regularly (attempt to) answer the questions posted in this forum. If they lose interest and go off somewhere else then the future for the Coding Forums site is bleak.

    My suggestion is to restore the previous version ASAP and then spend a good deal of time getting any proposed upgrade 100% right before releasing it, preferably with some consultation. As rnd me says, why would anyone take web development advice from such a janky site?

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    The new site is not fit for purpose! I have just replied to a new thread "How to load a list of text and test it in Javascript?" It still shows "Replies 0". There is nothing more off-putting that a site which is not trustworthy or reliable. It will be a pity, but unless all these problems are overcome I shall not be contributing any more.

    All the code given in this post has been tested and is intended to address the question asked.
    Unless stated otherwise it is not just a demonstration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fou-Lu View Post
    I've been told that the thanks system will be reimplemented as well although I'll use this as a shameful push to accept the reputation system instead
    I'd give you thanks for that comment if i could LOL

    No seriously I do think it's important because when you help someone if you see they've thanked you then you know that your advice has helped them. This is especially useful for new members when you don't know if they've even come back to the site to check for replies.

    The main issues for me are that the replies dont work and neither do the reply counts. While I'm no expert at front end design, most forums allow different skins / templates and i really can't help but feel that this new one has been rushed out without testing by a few select members.

    The look is much improved, it's fresh, looks nice and modern etc but its the functionality - everything is broken!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tangoforce View Post
    While I'm no expert at front end design, most forums allow different skins / templates and i really can't help but feel that this new one has been rushed out without testing by a few select members.
    This is a skin, too; if you scroll to the very bottom you see a select field at the right where you can choose the skin. Currently there is only this one (Green Fluid) and the default mobile style. I would think if they (temporarily) added a different standard skin this would help. Although the skin shouldn’t have much to do with the database errors and basic functionality. Things like AJAX functionality are part of the system, not the skin which is just styles (CSS). At least that’s what I guess how it works.

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    Is there any plan to change the link colour so that the link text is actually readable. The pale green on white is almost completely unreadable, I can barely see that there is text there.

    If I can't see what the questions are then I will not be opening the posts to answer them. There are plenty of other usable forums around where I can see the questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIPStephan View Post
    This is a skin, too; if you scroll to the very bottom you see a select field at the right where you can choose the skin. Currently there is only this one (Green Fluid) and the default mobile style. I would think if they (temporarily) added a different standard skin this would help. Although the skin shouldn’t have much to do with the database errors and basic functionality. Things like AJAX functionality are part of the system, not the skin which is just styles (CSS). At least that’s what I guess how it works.
    Yeah I noticed that yesterday and thought it odd that we can't select the old version. While the older version was certainly basic it was at least functional. Considering how little the new owners of this site like to interact with us users, I can't see them being too bothered about fixing this new version sadly. From my POV this could be the beginning of the end for CF unless they pull their finger out and fix it. A new skin should not have affected so much of the forum but clearly something has gone very wrong.
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    Can't get into "Notifications" and the forums seem slow at loading too. Can't upload an image, can't use "Go Advanced" while editing this post... It's b0rked
    Last edited by Nightfire; 02-22-2014 at 01:00 PM.

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    Can't upload an image, can't use "Go Advanced" while trying to edit the post above. Had to make a new reply too as I couldn't edit the post above ... It's b0rked


    *EDIT* Oh, it did edit the post above. Would've been nice if it showed it me before I made this post

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    This is what happens when inexperienced people who don't know what they are doing buy a once popular web forum thinking they will get some ad click money out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookster View Post
    This is what happens when inexperienced people who don't know what they are doing buy a once popular web forum thinking they will get some ad click money out of it.
    If so they will be rudely disappointed.

    All the code given in this post has been tested and is intended to address the question asked.
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    can't seem to get 'Go Advanced' button to work in post edit mode...
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    Hi guys,

    I had no idea that the site was under new ownership. When did that happen? Has he/she/they introduced themselves yet? Is WA (George) no longer in charge (of anything)? I liked him...He was accessible, if nothing else...

    So far, my main concern at the moment is that I can't compose a message with a WYSIWYG editor. I have to use the BB code way to preview/edit my posts (which is a huge inconvenience for me, when I am manipulating heavily-styled posts). From reading the posts in this thread, it sounds like this is just the tip of the iceberg regarding issues with the new site design/format.

    Do the new owners realize that by implementing a new, clearly not-fully-tested system, that they risk alienating their user base and losing the traffic that pays for this site? This is a programming site, yes? So why have the owners not done their due diligence testing the new site before implementing it live? Isn't that the "Programmer Way"?

    I'm more or less indifferent about the new design (so far), but this is amateur hour if we are testing on the live, production server. It makes me wonder how well they are backing up forum data as well (and that kind of scares the h-e-l-l out of me, given that I have contributions to this forum that I don't want deleted). *sigh*

    A word of advice to the owners: If they don't know what they are doing, then they should delegate forum upgrades to the moderators/administrators that have maintained and contributed to this forum for years. We are the people who make this site "go" and who have effectively turned this site into a valuable commodity, so that the owners can make their advertising revenue.

    And some parting words for the owners: It is not a sign of weakness to admit you are a little out of your depth here, and to delegate forum upgrades accordingly.

    Thanks for listening.
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    In all fairness, I think you all should know that Justin Vilela has emailed me as follows:-

    I apologize for the issues everyone is experiencing. We are aware of many
    of the issues and are in the process of restoring many of the broken
    functions. Upgrading vb3 to vb4 is historically problematic, but it became
    necessary as security issues with the older, unsupported software became and
    increasing risk. Many of the database issues have already been resolved and
    search is functioning normally again.

    One of our top priorities is to restore the thanks system. It hasn't been
    lost and just need to be restored from the old database.

    We appreciate your patience and hope to have things back to normal and better very soon.


    Justin Vilela
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    MAS Media Inc.

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    Perhaps it will turn out OK in the end!
    Last edited by Philip M; 02-24-2014 at 03:46 PM.

    All the code given in this post has been tested and is intended to address the question asked.
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