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    Regular Coder DR.Wong's Avatar
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    Question Your Opinion : PC vs iMac (with bootcamp)

    Hey everyone... I am in the market for a new machine, and I have been drawn to the new iMac G5 Core Duo 20".

    I am torn between spending $1,699.00 on the mac or a similar amount on a good(ish) windows PC.

    Leave your opinion of what you may think is better for web dev and just plain reliability (throw in all the aspects you can of course, like other features that may be better or worse, we dont want this is be a one sided thing!)

    It will be cool to see what people think!
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    Okay, first up, let me tell you guys what the iMac offers:

    -Intel Core Duo 2GHZ processor
    -667MHz System Bus
    -1.5 GB DDR2 (SODIMM) RAM (I will add this on from the standard 512MB)
    -250GB 7200-rpm SATA HD
    -8x SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    -54-Mbps AirPort Extreme Card
    -Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
    -10/100/1000 Gigabit BASE-T Ethernet
    -20" widescreen TFT active-matrix liquid crystal display
    -ATI Radeon X1600 graphics processor using PCI Express
    -128 MB of GDDR3 video memory
    -Built-in iSight camera (with Mic)
    -Running OS X Tiger

    I will install windows using bootcamp if I get it.

    Site :http://www.apple.com/imac
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    Couple of notes about bootcamp: It's a beta product, and unsupported. Some features of the iMac (such as the iSight) won't work under Windows.

    Also, how'd you end up with iMac G5 Core Duo? That's like saying P4 Athlon 64…

    I'd give Mac OS X a try before going over to Windows - as one of OS X's strengths is it's integration with the hardware - something that can't be done on an OS that runs on generic hardware.

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    I have been using Macs for the past week (why I am drawn to the iMac)..

    I am aware of the hardware integration, I find it brilliant!!!

    Also, how'd you end up with iMac G5 Core Duo? That's like saying P4 Athlon 64…
    I am reffering to the Model, not the processor, but ya, It is just the iMac Core Duo 20"... my mistake.
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    I recently got an Intel iMac (17"), after using Windows for.. well, forever

    OS X kicks butt - it's a hell of a lot faster than XP and I haven't had to reboot once. I've had one problem (AirPort wasn't connecting properly) but that seems to be fixed now.

    Go for it. Macs are da bomb

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    Quote Originally Posted by chilipie
    I haven't had to reboot once.
    I haven't usually had to reboot frequently for XP at all. Have to reboot frequently because of crashes or just general slowness kinda went out with Windows 9x.
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    mmm.... I think I would interperate that 'rebooting' thing in more than just a stability issue.

    I have also only ever really used windows.. as I said, I have been using Macs for the past week only. So I dont have much experience installing software. But on Windows, it asks you to restart the system after just about everything. I heard on Mac this aint the case.. am I wrong?

    Also, I am tired of windows freezing when I plug my iPod in, or not recognising a flash disk I have used on the same port for ages...

    Simple little stupid things like that that waist time I hope to avoid.

    Sorry if I sound biased now, just had a bad experience with XP pro.. so many bugs..

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    Quote Originally Posted by oracleguy
    I haven't usually had to reboot frequently for XP at all. Have to reboot frequently because of crashes or just general slowness kinda went out with Windows 9x.
    My XP machine doesn't crash often, but far more often than my Mac does. I haven't yet had to restart OS X after installing software (with the exception of a big OS update), whereas in Windows a lot of programs require you to restart before use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chilipie
    whereas in Windows a lot of programs require you to restart before use.
    I dunno, not a lot, and even then its more of a suggestion than a requirement. Usually it will run fine without having to reboot, of course this does depend on the program.
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    I usually only ever do a full reboot due to updates or whatever...Server 2003 Enterprise (which I have on 2 of my computers here - my LAN server and my new PC) is damn stable and I only ever have to reboot due to updates - I've never had a problem with application hangs or anything and had to reboot or whatever, but there again, you wouldn't expect to.
    In terms of XP, I don't have a problem with it - it's fast and stable and I've had one of my XP boxes running for a few weeks without a reboot and it's been fine...again, that is what you'd expect. As long as you've got a good installation, good hardware and you don't have any crap on your system or any applications running that could be a threat to the stability of your system, then you're fine.

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    Personally, I use both platforms. If the expectations ofg Apple are correct, we are looking at the current situation:

    1) Apple hardware and generic PC hardware can both run Windows XP.
    2) Apple hardware can additionally run Mac OS X
    3) Apple's Boot Camp is beta software
    4) Virtualization (being able to run Windows on your Mac without rebooting) is expected to come in Mac OS X 10.5 due out around Christmas.

    If I were making the decision myself, I'd put my eggs in the Apple basket because even if you don't like Mac OS X (although I've met very, very, very few people who didn't -- and that was only because it wasn't identical to Windows), you can still run Windows XP as your default OS. There's very little to hold you back from switching hardware vendors, IMO.

    On a related note, here's some food for thought: http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/as...or_risky_ideas

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    I havent really seen any bad aspects of the Mac in this thread yet.. everyone says that it doesnt matter if you buy a Mac because you can Run windows (if you really want to) anyway with Bootcamp (which I realise is a beta)

    I am trying to find advatages of runnin' a normal PC, (with the tower blah blah blah...)

    I only get 1:
    -Easy to upgrade hardware.

    With the mac, you can only upgrade RAM. That may be an issue. However, the iMac makes almost NO noise, has 1 cable (not including mouse and keyboard), this applies to the inside of the machine too..
    check this out :
    http://www.kodawarisan.com/imacg5_isight/imacg501i.html
    Its a very 'neatly' built machine.

    And it fits nicely onto a desk, however, I will miss my creative 5.1 sound as the iMac only has 1 audio out port (My system requires 3)

    So, as a 'home theatre' system as the iMac is greatly known for, it falls a bit short on sound capabilities, which means I will have to go and buy new speakers if I get this machine..

    The iMac is looking pretty good about now.

    What do you guys recomend?
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    The iMac's actually got built in speakers, along the bottom. Pretty sweet sound as well.

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    Yeah.. I heard the sound was okay... I just havnt watched a movie or listened to music on the new iMacs yet.

    You still cant beat 5.1 though! Although I was looking at a bose 3.1 system that had A LOT of power. This sucks, Mac is great for media, just its compatability of Hardware is not too good.

    I guess its just one of those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.Wong
    Yeah.. I heard the sound was okay... I just havnt watched a movie or listened to music on the new iMacs yet.

    You still cant beat 5.1 though! Although I was looking at a bose 3.1 system that had A LOT of power. This sucks, Mac is great for media, just its compatability of Hardware is not too good.

    I guess its just one of those things.
    I'd imagine the iMac still has an audio out to plug speakers in. Though that might only be front channels, I don't know if it has the proper outputs for 5.1 or not.

    If you are looking for advantages to having a PC, the hardware is cheap and easy to come by so if you ever needed a replacement part or wanted to upgrade something it would be easy. And they are cheaper to buy than an Apple.
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