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    *ahem* softwares is not a word (unless you're a lawyer - where normal grammatical rules dont apply), the plural of software is software.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyJ
    *ahem* softwares is not a word (unless you're a lawyer - where normal grammatical rules dont apply), the plural of software is software.
    I stand corrected

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyJ
    I dont see why you couldnt just use the wording they wanted? It is after all, their company and their website. I would NEVER refuse to give a client what they wanted because of minor grammatical quibble. I certainly wouldnt respond to a client with that kind of attitude. The customer IS always right when the customer is talking about what the customer wants. If I feel a client had made a bad decision in regard to the website that they want, I will ofcourse advise them of the potential pitfalls of their idea and try whereever possible to offer an alternative but at the end of the day, they're paying for it and they should be allowed to have what they want.
    Nancy,

    I guess you forgot to read what I wrote in the last paragraph of my post. I did what the client wanted me to. No big deal. I only had the back-and-forth exchange with the client for one round only, and that was it. I was simply advising the client that their choice would make the site's management look somewhat unprofessional if they were to use the grammatically incorrect wording. I was simply acting as their advisor with their best interests in mind. I didn't have an "attitude", and I'm surprised that someone with your apparent level of wisdom would criticize me in this manner. I merely chose to tell this anecdote to illustrate the point that the client IS always right, which was the key point of my posting.
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    In the U.S. the only people that use a curriculum vitae are educators. I had actually never heard of the term before I got to college and heard professors referring to their vitaes. They usually post them on their school/class websites. The rest of us just use resumes.

    Applying to jobs on sites like monster.com is almost a complete waste of time. Often those jobs were posted to just fulfil local or federal job posting requirements. Often those jobs are filled internally or through networking. And many companies will post jobs in an attempt to build up an archive of resumes they can sift through when they need to. Doesn't necessarily mean they are hiring right now.

    Definitely work on improving your resume. I've done hiring at my current job and had to go through many resumes. It amazes me how poorly written some resumes are. I even had one with major spelling errors. Alway spellcheck and grammar check. Don't get too wordy and don't go overboard with a thesaurus. I read one resume that looked like the person had used a thesaurus on every word in the resume not to mention it was like 5 or 6 pages long. I stopped reading it after the first 2 pages and it went into the no interview pile. Have at least a few other people read through it before ever giving it to a potential employer. That resume is their first impression of you. You don't get a second chance to make a first impression. And remember that resume is your way to get your foot in the door. You just have to sell yourself enough to get yourself to the interview where you can really sell yourself. You've got experience whether you think so or not. You just have to learn how to show it on paper. Also write up a good cover letter to go with that resume and personalize it as much as possible for the position/company you are applying for. Also it's a numbers game, the more resumes you send out the more likely you are going to get interviews. Don't expect to send out one or two resumes and expect to have a job land in your lap. It could take sending out 20-30 or more resumes before you get a bite. You just have to be patient.

    I've attached one of my resumes as an example.

    Good luck.
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    Ooo. Microsoft Office on a resume is usually a killer. At least that's been my understanding. It's akin to saying "I can breathe" when applying for a tech job. An administrative assistant is different.

    Just saying

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcarl314
    Ooo. Microsoft Office on a resume is usually a killer. At least that's been my understanding. It's akin to saying "I can breathe" when applying for a tech job. An administrative assistant is different.

    Just saying
    Not at all. You would be surprised how many people in the tech world don't have a clue at how to use word processors, spreadsheets or even slide presentation software. In this field of work you will likely use all three of those on a regular basis especially in programming. In my job all the software documentation is in MS Word, all of the cost of work estimates for software change requests are done in MS Excel and we have to create presentations in MS Powerpoint for meetings on a regular basis. Trust me you want to put basic skill sets on your resume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iWebQuality1
    Nancy,

    I guess you forgot to read what I wrote in the last paragraph of my post. I did what the client wanted me to. No big deal. I only had the back-and-forth exchange with the client for one round only, and that was it. I was simply advising the client that their choice would make the site's management look somewhat unprofessional if they were to use the grammatically incorrect wording. I was simply acting as their advisor with their best interests in mind. I didn't have an "attitude", and I'm surprised that someone with your apparent level of wisdom would criticize me in this manner. I merely chose to tell this anecdote to illustrate the point that the client IS always right, which was the key point of my posting.
    What your client wanted was the word 'for' not 'of, they didnt get that, because of your insistance, they instead chose to remove the thing altogether. As for not giving them attitude - tell a client to go look something up in a dictionary, thats attitude.
    If saying 'source for' instead of 'source of' makes you unprofessional, you better tell that to perl.com, java.sun.com and mozillazine.org - to name just a few. If he'd asked for it in comic sans that would be a different matter but 1 word, which by the way, I can find no evidence to suggest that source for is strictly incorrect and yes, I did look it up in websters dictionary. Unless this was a website for grammar and spelling, then I dont see the problem in just letting the client have the wording he wanted. The fact that he would rather not have it there at all than have it with your wording shows how strongly he felt about the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookster
    I've attached one of my resumes as an example.
    Thats interesting - on the topic of resume/cv format, we discussed national differences in 'accepted standards' but your resume seems to almost follow exactly the 'accepted format' for UK CV's - its a little long and missing 'hobbies' but appart from that its almost perfect.

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    In the U.S. the only people that use a curriculum vitae are educators. I had actually never heard of the term before I got to college and heard professors referring to their vitaes. They usually post them on their school/class websites. The rest of us just use resumes.
    This is probably down to cultural differences between US/UK. People tend not to use the word 'resume' here, and I never really knew they were different things... :|

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyJ
    Thats interesting - on the topic of resume/cv format, we discussed national differences in 'accepted standards' but your resume seems to almost follow exactly the 'accepted format' for UK CV's - its a little long and missing 'hobbies' but appart from that its almost perfect.
    Just like your country we have a few different acceptable formats. That format works well for tech type jobs and in my opinion is the most professional looking format. Depending on job and experience level it might be better to use one of the other formats. And in some jobs here in the U.S like radio DJ's or news photographers they use a resume that doesn't even look like what we would call a resume or CV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookster
    In this field of work you will likely use all three of those on a regular basis especially in programming. In my job all the software documentation is in MS Word, all of the cost of work estimates for software change requests are done in MS Excel and we have to create presentations in MS Powerpoint for meetings on a regular basis.
    I agree. Doing programming work you'll end up using all 3. Knowing how use programs like Visio and Microsoft Project doesn't hurt either, they come in handy imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oracleguy
    I agree. Doing programming work you'll end up using all 3. Knowing how use programs like Visio and Microsoft Project doesn't hurt either, they come in handy imo.
    Yeah it's good to list all major software and O/S's you are experienced in that would possibly be used in the job you are applying for. Any configuration management tools are also a good thing to list.
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    Spookster, that is a very impressive resume! I'm still in college, working to attain a Bachelor's in computer science. I'm glad I found this thread, as it has very helpful advice.

    Thanks everyone
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    Wow Spookster, I was just browsing this thread and out of curiosity, I decided to check out your resume format. First thing that stuck out is that you work for Cubic at Cherry Point and you enclosed a cover letter addressed to Lockheed for a position down in Fort Worth. I also work for a DoD contractor - Engineering Support Personnel. We have people over at Cherry Pointe working our Aviation Suvival Trainer contract and people in Fort Worth for our P-3 simulator contract. Small world. I went to ITSEC last year and saw your BIG booth (and I know a few of my managers also joined Cubic's party they always throw every year during ITSEC, haha). We also had a booth set up there and I got to walk around, seeing all the displays and demos.

    -Shane

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheShaner
    Wow Spookster, I was just browsing this thread and out of curiosity, I decided to check out your resume format. First thing that stuck out is that you work for Cubic at Cherry Point and you enclosed a cover letter addressed to Lockheed for a position down in Fort Worth. I also work for a DoD contractor - Engineering Support Personnel. We have people over at Cherry Pointe working our Aviation Suvival Trainer contract and people in Fort Worth for our P-3 simulator contract. Small world. I went to ITSEC last year and saw your BIG booth (and I know a few of my managers also joined Cubic's party they always throw every year during ITSEC, haha). We also had a booth set up there and I got to walk around, seeing all the displays and demos.

    -Shane
    Small world. Cubic has been gaining more and more ground in this arena. They recently took over the entire building I work in. Previously Lockheed Martin had the contract for the maintenance of our simulators. Cubic's contract comes up for renewal for us in October so I wil be renegotiating my salary and benefits. It's always a joyous time because we will get a bunch of companies trying to wine and dine us in an attempt to get us to send our resumes to them when they bid on the contract. Basically whoever gets our resumes gets the contract. I've been looking at doing this same job for both Lockheed Martin and Boeing but for diferent aircraft. Lockheed has F-16 simulators in Ft Worth, TX and Boeing has the F-22 Raptor simulators in Tukwila, WA. But for now I will stick with working on the AV-8B Harrier simulators. The Harrier is way more fun to fly.
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