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    is a degree important to get a job as a web designer

    I am in my second year of an associates degree program. I started in network technologies and am A+ certified(2006). I changed my major to web design after taking the first class (i love it)things is because of the transition some of my classes wont count towards the web design degree. I am have strong artistic abilities and want to start working in the spring / summer (I am dead broke trying to rough it out until school is over) so with a sound knowledge of html / css / and javascript plus the use of flash what do you all think of my shot at getting a good job(I interview very well and have great ppl skills) so let me hear what the CF community thinks of what I have just stated....thanks... oh yeah check out my student portfolio...

    www.invision-online.com
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    Based on your 'portfolio', I'd say your chances are pretty poor. Anyone serious about web design should at the very least check their site in IE & Firefox.

    If you want to be a web designer then you should take some design classes, the banner has potential but the execution lacks quality and experience. Looking at your other 'samples', only 1 has any real flair - but then I read the small-print and see its supposed to be for a spa - the graphic you've designed is completely inappropriate for the subject. Its brash and bold - a spa is supposed to be a relaxing break not upbeat nightlife.

    Without design skills and experience you might get hired as a front-end coder but you'd need to work on your cross-browser compatiblity knowledge for that. If you want to work with flash then you need some examples that do something. The only flash I saw on your site were static graphics, which is really not what flash is for.

    You wont need a degree to get a part-time or summer job, there are plenty of places willing to take on college students as cheap labor, getting a full time job without a degree (especially if you say you dropped out) is harder but not for someone with a lot of skill and experience - which you clearly don't have yet.
    Dont rush it - you can't expect to take 1 web design class and become a pro.

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    Degrees are best for teaching you to Learn. Once you learn how to learn you will become good at programming in no time!


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    A degree is definitely not necessary... however, it will only help you. A strong portfolio and on-the-job experience will trump a degree 7 days a week.

    I actually majored in Music in college (I have my B.A.), and minored in Computer Science. I never took a web design course in my life... but I learned tons in my CS classes about Object Oriented Programming (OOP), which has really helped because I'm now using Python and ASP.

    If you're in school, you should definitely finish. But keep in mind that what you study isn't all that important... your degree is a sign that you are dedicated, can accomplish complex tasks, and can learn new skills. Most people don't end up in the field they studied in college, but people with degrees have the tools to be successful in life.

    On a separate note, you definitely need a larger and more impressive portfolio. Posting to forums like this will definitely help you gain the skills you will need to be a strong designer... and NancyJ is right, you need to check your site in IE (6 and 7), Firefox, Opera, and Safari to notice cross-browswer errors.

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    Thank you nancy for your blunt and honest commentary. perhaps I was not clear in my original post the site that represnts my portfolio is not finished actually I just created it. I know my skills are not up to the industry standard now but just as I learned the neccessary skill it takes to troubleshoot a system BIOS in DOS, I will master what it takes to do web design.I only wanted to know about my chances once my skills and portfolio are completely polished. I dont plan on dropping out matter of fact registration is next week and I am taking a flash animation class in addition to the second level web design class and a network server class for my net+ cert .Thanks for the heads up, but I am not looking for a job right now.....check with me in june.... I know I am not prepared now...oh yeah I think i fixed the FF issue check it out>>>www.invision-online.com
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    did you see this thread: Options for senior college student in web design ?

    it's basically the same question as yours, you may find it interesting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christech4000 View Post
    oh yeah I think i fixed the FF issue check it out>>>www.invision-online.com
    Still looks exactly the same.

    I also think you're missing something fundamental about web desgin - just because you can 'troubleshoot a system BIOS in DOS' (fwiw, that doesn't even make sense ) doesn't mean you have what it takes to be a designer. There are plenty of brilliantly talented designers in the world that barely know how to turn their computers on an off - its a completely different skillset (even down to brain pathways). Technical apptitide and amazing design skills are rare in a single individual. I know of no-one who truely excels in both fields. If you're technically minded you might want to look into web development rather than design. There is cross-over, but as a developer, you'll rarely be asked to actually design anything - just as you wouldn't ask a designer to code a CMS but both may be required to code front-end html and css.
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    Wait a minute nacy I am an artist first. Came up doing street art in Chicago I only lack the knowledge of how to impliment the tools right now.been doing layouts on more diverse locations (trains, buses, underpasses,bridges) in mediums you have never even thought of( spray paint, markers, liquid paper, ect) ShockWave=street art!!!!Once the tools are mastered the sky is the limit....and dos is accessed at the start menu>run>cmd>regedt32 to access the system registry... this is dos...Thanks nancy
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    Chris, knowing how to start regedit or the command prompt really has nothing to do with design or web development. You may be a good artist, but your knowledge of computers isn't as good as you seem to think it is, and as a result your capability to do computer-aided-design is going to be lacking until you get more experience. Just take some time to do some research and get started designing with software tools such as Photoshop or GIMP. Good luck!

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    Ok guys I think That I have not expressed myself correctly and causing you all to respond due to my incomplete message. I understand that I lack the knowledge of computer aided design software to use it effectively, that is why I am in school. Next semester is Flash and Photoshop, and I also know that my IT Tech certification has nothing to do with web design and development.Nancy kinda put me on the defensive and i am sorry not clearly stating things nancy.. thanks for all your help in trying to guide a student in the right direction

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    Nancy's message may have sounded blunt, but she's just trying to help you without giving you unrealistic expectations. You can get ideas and criticisms of your work on this site and others to help guide you as you learn. Also you might want to look at some tutorial sites as you learn more about web design.

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    i know and feel bad about getting defensive. I want to thank Nancy(Think she is very talented and knowledgeable) and all who offer input to my posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christech4000 View Post
    and dos is accessed at the start menu>run>cmd>regedt32 to access the system registry... this is dos...
    No it isn't. That is the system registry that Windows uses to store information instead of using lots of INI files like was previously done in Windows 3.1 and previous.

    DOS is an operating system, Windows 9x is built on top of it. DOS is a console based only operating system, it has no GUI of its own. Before Windows 95, Windows ran as a program in DOS. Sort of like how X11 runs as a program on Unix or Linux.

    Now days some people refer to the console (aka command prompt) as DOS in Windows NT based OSes (like 2k, XP and Vista) but that is a misnomer.
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