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    Cool Information Retrieval and ASP

    Hi,

    Do you believe that ASP it is a good or the best web language for Information Retrieval, data Mining and Data (information) Extraction from databases?

    Thanks for your opinion

    Lebron

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    I think it rather depends what systems you're running it on, what you're actually trying to do with it, and how good you are at coding in it.

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    Classic ASP is old, outdated, and lacks the framework concepts of ASP.NET. I would never use it for anything other than a page or two unless there was some reason I could not use something else. So, good or best? Nope. Easy to pop together a page or two to do something? Yes.

    For Windows, ASP.NET is my top pick. ColdFusion takes a distant second.

    For *nix, PHP or JSP, depending on what you're doing. JSP is great for B2B (business to business) and Enterprise. PHP is free, there are a ton of open-source apps for it, and so on.

    If this post contains any code, I may or may not have tested it. It's probably just example code, so no getting knickers in a bunch over a typo, OK? If it doesn't have basic error checking in it, such as object detection or checking if objects are null before using them, put that in there. I'm giving examples, not typing up your whole app for you. You run code at your own risk.
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    I've heard that ASP.NET is much much better than ASP but when I tried learning ASP.NET I found out that it's too different from what I'm used to in ASP.

    You don't have information tables but data grids and your output code comes out very messy and you can't debug you're code by looking at its HTML output.
    It turns alot of your code to javascript and creates functions of its own.

    I'm still not sure what I'm gonna choose but I don't like ASP.NET much though it is much much better than ASP.

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    If you still don't know ASP you better start off with ASP.NET.
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    Too different from what you're used to? That's crazy talk.
    Seriously, if you are a programmer, get that entire notion out of your head or in 5 years you won't have a job. If I had that idea, I'd have been unemployed as soon as Apples became obsolete and Windows 3.1 came out.
    I graduated as a comp sci major in systems programming before object oriented languages were invented.

    If you don't like constantly learning new things, IT may not be the best career choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikkiH View Post
    Classic ASP is old, outdated, and lacks the framework concepts of ASP.NET. I would never use it for anything other than a page or two unless there was some reason I could not use something else. So, good or best? Nope. Easy to pop together a page or two to do something? Yes.
    Fixed a coupla typos for you:

    Classic ASP is more tried, more tested and has more potential for developing your own bespoke framework concepts than ASP.NET. I would never use ASP.NET for anything unless the project manager was an MS fanboy and wanted us to build some cumbersome enterprise-scale server farm for a website that really just needed a simple products database. So, good or best? Pretty close, although PHP does exactly the same as ASP and is free. Easy to pop together a page or two to do absolutely anything at all you want in the code that you specify rather than churning out masses of bloated HTML? Yes. Useful unless you're going to write it in C# and take ten thousand hits an hour to actually notice the performance of compiled code? Unlikely.
    ASP.NET was an attempt to translate a useful application runtime into a web dev framework that didn't put off existing ASP developers, and to bring with it the performance of Java servlets. It didn't work on both counts, and now it's dead in the water. Silverlight, anyone?


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    Amazing how people have such different opinions.
    Just goes to show that there is always room for more frameworks, because you can't please everyone.

    If this post contains any code, I may or may not have tested it. It's probably just example code, so no getting knickers in a bunch over a typo, OK? If it doesn't have basic error checking in it, such as object detection or checking if objects are null before using them, put that in there. I'm giving examples, not typing up your whole app for you. You run code at your own risk.
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    Flame War!!!
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    Naah, flame wars are for n00bs

    ASP.NET is a good framework. But... in my experience, anyone* building anything large enough to really, really warrant that level of architecture isn't going to be someone eager to run it through Microsoft products. But I agree - each framework for its job.

    *generalising massively there, of course.

    Just out of interest, anyone willing to say a few words about Rails?

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    Have we all been on forums so long that we all know to use:

    n00bs
    knobs
    nuubz

    instead of the classic 'newbie'?

    I agree, frameworks have their place, but unless you are running a site that demands you have terabytes of data and millions of hits a day, Classic ASP and/or PHP are the way to go.

    JSP has it's place for client connectivity, but pales in comparison to Ruby on Rails as RoR is much more secure than Java and it doesn't require plug-ins.

    That and RoR is a 4th Gen 'natural language', rather than a 3rd Gen 'object-oriented' language, which makes it much easier to code.

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