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Rad
04-26-2006, 04:31 AM
Hi all,
I've been building (learning from 'HTML for Dummies') my website for couple of months trying to put it together from scratch. As it goes - the HTML first, CSS next (as much as you can get from 'Dummies), etc.. But then... Visiting the forum (despite of all the help I get here [you know who I'm talking about guys and big "Thank you"]) seems like I'm well behind the "real world" and my website will never meet (or be up-to) current standards.
I really love design - very simple but eye-catching (for me) and I don't think I will change it much (if at all) when it's up for preview. But the fact that it is mostly HTML Transitional (according to most posts: "Very passe"), makes me feel like giving up.
Any opinions?
Rad

_Aerospace_Eng_
04-26-2006, 07:39 AM
You can still code in HTML Transitional just get a better book. Don't code with tables unless you are displaying data. There are many sites to learn how to do layouts without tables. Ronald wrote up a tut recently I think in this forum. Search for it.

kewlceo
04-26-2006, 09:03 AM
But the fact that it is mostly HTML Transitional (according to most posts: "Very passe"), makes me feel like giving up.
Any opinions?
Rad
To tell you the truth, Rad, I'd prefer to go to your HTML Transitional site than a badly done XHTML/CSS site, and plenty of them exist. Just because a site validates for the latest standards, it doesn't mean that it's a good site.

If yours is accessible, easy to navigate, and "simple, but eye-catching," then go with that. Usability first, IMHO.

Hope you stay with it, mate. :)

ecntrc
04-26-2006, 09:46 AM
hey you know im a web master and i take a look at other company sites and i kick myself in the *** because i know other sites kick a*s and mine just sucks. my skills can be better and at times i feel like giving up but in the end i use that negativity to keep pushing me because i know i can get better in time.. you can do it.. just keep working.. web design can be hard on some.. youll get what your looking for put your mind to it.. expand your books also. get new ones.. not saying the one you have sucks.. but you should know what i mean

ronaldb66
04-26-2006, 11:07 AM
Don't sweat that your site is "just" HTML Transitional at the moment; simply go with what you know, try to learn and gain experience, and improve your site gradually as your skills grow. It's unrealistic and discouraging to aim for perfection; just try and make the best effort under the given circumstances. And don't give up yet!

Wynter_Z
04-26-2006, 05:14 PM
Don't be discouraged. About the time they threw in CSS I had the whole table layout thing mastered. Then along comes XHTML to add to the load, so it's back to square two for me. I have basic CSS down but still don't "think" CSS yet and I still struggle with layout.

The best way to learn is to visit w3schools.com and to look at code.

Get a good editor since the good ones are generating pretty clean code now, and they do let you see how things work together. I strongly recommend Topstyle Pro. It's only $80 and will really help you start getting a handle on CSS and XHTML. Dreamweaver generates pretty good code also.

oldcrazylegs
04-27-2006, 02:44 AM
I'm sorry but there is now way to learn HTML and CSS in just two months. It takes years of experimenting to get oroficient at it. I have been doing this 10 years and I still don't know it all and never will since it is changing all the time.

But it is still worth learning since you will be able to do things dreamweaver users haven't got a clue about.

Here are examples that you can experiment right on the web site. Even though you can experiment here you cannot save the results to your computer unless you copy and paste the code into windows notepad and save it that way.

HTML Examples
http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_examples.asp

Cascading Style Sheets Examples
http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_examples.asp

These pages will help you understand what HTML tags(commands) and their attributes you can use in your pages.
http://www.w3schools.com/tags/default.asp

These pages will help you understand what Cascading Style Sheets Rules and their attributes you can use in your pages.
http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp

Don't be surprised if you don't learn HTML/CSS very fast. Most of us took years to learn to use it proficiently. Even now after 10 years I still don't know it all since it keeps changing all the time.

After you have experimented some on that site then do the following.

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Learn HTML/XHTML & CSS - Learn to write your own pages by hand it's easy.

FREE! Online Courses:
A) Webonkey HTML Tutorial http://www.webmonkey.com/
B) W3schools http://www.w3schools.com/
C) Watch it done in a flash movie http://visualtutorials.com/
D) Free Web Site Courses http://certification.about.com/cs/testingresources/a/tutorials.htm

Reference:
A) The best HTML/XHTML reference http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_reference.asp
B) The best Style Sheet Reference http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp
C) HTML Dom http://www.w3schools.com/htmldom/dom_reference.asp'

Links:
A) HTML Links http://www.websitetips.com/html/
B) Style Sheet Links http://www.websitetips.com/css/


ALWAYS CHECK THE REFERENCE PAGES TO MAKE CERTAIN YOU ARE WRITING YOUR SOURCE CODE THE CORRECT WAY! JUST BECAUSE YOU SAW SOME SOURCE CODE WRITTEN A PARTICULAR WAY IN SOMEONE ELSE'S PAGE DOESN'T MEAN THEY WROTE IT CORRECTLY. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT YOU'LL FIND THAT THEY DIDN'T WRITE IT CORRECTLY. BUT LOOKING AT OTHER PEOPLE'S SOURCE CODE IS STILL A GOOD WAY TO LEARN. IF SOURCE CODE ISN'T WRITTEN THE CORRECT WAY IT CAN CAUSE OBJECTS TO BE DISPLAYED IN PLACES YOU DON"T WANT THEM IN OR EVEN CRASH SOMEONE'S BROWSER. NETSCAPOE 4.X USERS ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE TO CRASHING. MOST OF THE TIME BROWSERS A VERY FORGIVING WHEN IT COMES TO BAD SOURCE CODE. BUT WHY TAKE CHANCES. THE MORE CORRECTLY YOU WRITE YOUR PAGES THE MOER BROWSERS THEY WILL WORK WITH.

Paid Online Courses:
http://www.hwg.org/

FREE! HTML/XHTML Editor:
http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

FREE! FTP Clients (applications):
http://www.trustmeher.net/freeware/cute.htm

When FTPing files from your computer to your online account send text files, HTML/XHTML files, CSS files in the ascii mode. Send image files, movie files, music files in the binary mode. There is an automatic mode that is supposed to detect the type of file you are sending. But it isn't always reliable.

*** HERE IS HOW I LEARNED HTML/XHTML/CSS ***

When you come to a page on the web click "VIEW" at the top of your browser and click on "SOURCE". If you are using Internet Explorer browser the HTML source code will open up in Windows Notepad. In Notepad click on "FILE/SAVE AS" to save the page's source code to your hard drive. In Internet Explorer click on "FILE/OPEN" to open the source code in the browser. Go back to notepad and remove some of the code and click "SAVE". Then in Internet Explorer hold down the "SHIFT" key and click on the "REFRESH" button on the browser's toolbar to see what effect the removed source code had on the page. You will learn a hundred times faster this way.

Something to think about later is.......After you have gotten a little experience with HTML try DOCTYPE, XHTML, and CSS. Then try to validate your pages. Validating checks your source code for coding errors. validating will not work unless you are using the correct doctype and the correct document encoding. Validating is not something a newcomer should bother with. Being new you will make lots of mistakes and won't know how to fix them yet. http://validator.w3.org/

Many libraries world-wide have books related to the Internet, Web and computers in general. They also have CDs and DVDs. Go to your local public library and get the username and password for http://www.firstsearch.org/ You have to get them at your library because that is where you will pick up and return the books after reading them. You can look up the book yourself but they will have to order it for you. Sometimes this can take awhile if the book is checked out by someone else. After reading the books and making copies of certain pages with a photo copier simply return it to them.

By using Firstsearch you can search for any book in the world. Some libraries might charge a small fee but most are free. Even if they charge a fee it will be less than the cost of the book or other item you are ordering. Every Web Design book I have read was acquired in this fashion. :)



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