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NeilKelty
03-20-2006, 02:58 AM
Wow, a pretty good improvement I have to say. I LOVE the rendering of fonts. Wow stunning - Microsoft Actully got something correct for once.

_Aerospace_Eng_
03-20-2006, 07:48 AM
Its only beta. It is getting better but has some bugs it needs to work out, mainly with CSS stuff.

wabirdman
03-20-2006, 07:50 AM
For more information on ie7 you can go here

IE7 (http://www.ie7.com/)

_Aerospace_Eng_
03-20-2006, 07:53 AM
We still have to test for the browser that is used by the majority of the users out there. I am an avid FF user.

ubik
03-20-2006, 12:56 PM
For more information on ie7 you can go here

IE7 (http://www.ie7.com/)

rofl, nice link. :thumbsup:

JamieR
03-20-2006, 03:50 PM
I'm also a dedicated Firefox user...I tried IE7 Beta 2 a few weeks ago and I absolutely hated it..

I however haven't actually tested it to see what it supports over IE6, although I know cos I've been told and read up on what other users on CF have tested with it etc..:)

gsnedders
03-20-2006, 04:36 PM
It's looking from what Molly (I'm not gonna try and spell her surname) and Andy Clarke have posted about the current (internal MS) beta, that it's gonna be getting far, far, far better.

brothercake
03-20-2006, 07:16 PM
It's looking from what Molly (I'm not gonna try and spell her surname) and Andy Clarke have posted about the current (internal MS) beta, that it's gonna be getting far, far, far better.
Indeed, I had the pleasure of meeting one of the guy's from the IE7 team at SXSW, and he was a very encouraging fellow - a real advocate who's been pushing for better standards support in IE since IE3! Unbelievable I thought, but good to know there's someone in there who's on the good side ;)

gsnedders
03-20-2006, 08:29 PM
Indeed, I had the pleasure of meeting one of the guy's from the IE7 team at SXSW, and he was a very encouraging fellow - a real advocate who's been pushing for better standards support in IE since IE3! Unbelievable I thought, but good to know there's someone in there who's on the good side ;)
May I ask who?

The MIX06 build is now public (http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/03/20/555703.aspx).

oracleguy
03-20-2006, 08:44 PM
I tried out IE7 when I tried out a CTP of Vista; it was interesting but I didn't really care for it. I didn't like how they set up the tabs.

NeilKelty
03-20-2006, 08:48 PM
I am also an avid FireFox user, but the rendering of fonts in Internet Explorer 7 is AMAZING. I don't think I have seen another program like it before, but then agian I do run a windows system.

As for the interface - its horrible. Hard to use, and its a bit to "techy" for the average person, so Firefox still wins on the functionality side, but IE7's font rendering is amazing.

Nice firefox joke - I already use it though.

Sorry if I made my post sound like I was some IE lover, just thought it was a nice step up for Microsoft.

drhowarddrfine
03-20-2006, 08:53 PM
It's looking from what Molly (I'm not gonna try and spell her surname) and Andy Clarke have posted about the current (internal MS) beta, that it's gonna be getting far, far, far better.
Molly and I have had our own rowe back and forth about her comments regarding IE7. I have a lot of concern with WASP and Microsoft getting into bed with each other. If you look, Chris Wilson is now listed as a member there and their reasons are that MS is looking for advice on improving web standards compatibility.

However, no one notices that MS is a member of the W3C standards board. Why would MS need WASP need to help them learn to be standards compliant? When confronted with such issues Molly goes ape saying we should all be happy and why am I making a big stink about it.

Well, simply put, Chris Wilson has already stated that IE7 has gone as far as it's going to go: seven bugs fixes and two CSS additions. This is hardly "far, far better" than some may hope and the community at large is furious with Microsofts consist effort to pretend elsewhere that it is the next great thing.

As Paul Thurotte has said, "IE is a cancer on the web" and we need to stop it now.

gsnedders
03-20-2006, 09:18 PM
Sure, it's still got a long way to go, but having the biggest and undoubtedly most important bugs fixed is most certainly a good start. These fixes help massively in standards support. I've said it many times and I'll say it again: Trident should be dumped in favour for Tasman (the rendering engine behind IE/Mac 5 and MSN for OS X), as it has near-full CSS 2.1 support, CSS 3 selector support, application/xhtml+xml support, full unicode support and much more that Trident doesn't have.

As for why MS should have anything to do with WaSP, maybe to try and work out what bugs need to be fixed before others, and what CSS features are most immediately needed.

Christ. I'm defending MS. What is the world coming to?

brothercake
03-20-2006, 09:55 PM
However, no one notices that MS is a member of the W3C standards board. Why would MS need WASP need to help them learn to be standards compliant? When confronted with such issues Molly goes ape saying we should all be happy and why am I making a big stink about it.
Mate, we're none of us blind to the irony of the situation, or the fact that IE's "sudden" interest in standards support leading to the development and release of IE7 is essentially cynical - of course it is - what did you expect?

But it is what is, and it would be disengenuous of us not to be supportive of this effort, such as it is. IE7 is a better browser, with better standards support and a framework for better accessibility, as well as being a lot safer and more useable from an end-user's perspective.

It's not perfect, no, and maybe it marks the start of another long tea time of the soul as far as IE is concerned; it's far too soon to make such a speculation. But we can at least try to be supportive of the effort they are making, because it does help - it is better.

Sometimes you have to get in bed with the enemy in order to steer them right - this is a well-trodden Taoist principle - you engage with someone's weakness by "sitting with it" and engaging it directly, then you try to pull both of you out of it at the same time. The risk is always that you lose yourself along the way, but I don't think that's very likely - there's too much at stake, and too many external reminders.

drhowarddrfine
03-20-2006, 10:31 PM
IE7 will still be eight years behind web standards and far, far behind any other browser. You're right. It is what it is.

gsnedders
03-21-2006, 07:13 PM
So floats and overflows are fixed in IE7 B2PR, min/max-width support added and full CSS2 selector support.

crmpicco
03-28-2006, 04:49 PM
how do you mean a CTP of Vista?

oracleguy
03-29-2006, 06:22 AM
CTP = Community Technology Preview, they are like the working builds, intended for developers working on Vista applications and such

crmpicco
03-29-2006, 12:59 PM
sounds interesting, is it an actual working copy of Vista?

_Aerospace_Eng_
03-29-2006, 01:06 PM
sounds interesting, is it an actual working copy of Vista?
Working? yes. Buggy? yes. The developer Vistas are for people who are developing applications to work on vista when it comes out officially. It comes bundled with IE7 but I think Vista is only available to companies that have agreenments with Microsoft. I think you can also get if you have an msdn membership.

brothercake
03-29-2006, 04:55 PM
Yeah I mate of mine gets the full MSDN - at a cost of several thousand per year. He's been running Vista for several months now :eek:



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