Honest truth

[thickandthin]

Honest truth please How is this site? Vice City Source (http://www.vcsource.tk/)

[cg9com]

what screen resolution was it made in?
i use 800x600 and its a little to big, but thats not your fault ;)
i suggest no frame borders, or at least a little customization

[TheTree]

I have a 800/600 screen too, cg9com-----I think ya just have t'use the scroll-bars at the bottom!!

ThickandThin: I think it's great insofar as color, organization, etc-----BUT, "I" personally HATE frames!! One thing is, I've heard they're not real friendly with ALL browsers------people can get stuck in them!!

There's too much goin'-on------but, that's just ME------meaning, ya have t'go to too many places (three different frames, on one page), t'do stuff (get to linked pages)-----but maybe it's good for a gaming site------or whatever that is (sorry, not familiar with the product). I like to go to sites, and BAM-----there it is------all the information right in front of my face-----all I have t'do is read and scroll ONE page/AREA------then, click accordingly-----if ya know what I mean.......

I think it LOOKS GREAT, though-------the "functionality" is just not MY "cup of tea"......

Good job!!

[ronaldb66]

The blue-n-green combo gives me headaches, the zillion-frame layout really doesn't work, and your content disappears beneath the "fold" (bottom of the window).
I think you really have to try to cram less on it and create some room. I would strongly suggest ditching the frames altogether and use a nice, fluid, boxy layout instead. But that's just my honest opinion! :D

[ionsurge]

Everything that they said + just get rid of frames, no one likes them. If your site is good, as it is so far, get rid of the frames and have it all running from the same page.

It should theoretically take a shorter time to load as a result, and it will also allow you and me to browse it more easily, with less hassle.

It is pretty good overall.

Keep it up. :thumbsup:

[tommysphone]

Loose them :) Sorry if that seem harsh but its an honest thought.

The site otherwise is fine. Viewed 1024*768.

[murphyz]

agree with the guys. Change the frames for nested tables and try to design for a smaller resolution. The main advantage for this being that the tables can span out on a bigger screen so as to create more space for those of us with a bigger resolution.

Mxx

[ionsurge]

Logical ey? ;)

[ASAAKI]

i don't detest frames like the others, but, like ronald said, u should try to cram less on the page. by the way, i like the blue-green color combo, but change the black.

[thickandthin]

Can anyone think of a new design for me, I'm new at this, Im only 13!

[TheTree]

Here:

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/4funandentertainment/SAMPLE.html

The code's very raw-----I should have entitled it "sImple"!! Change some stuff around, add stuff-----whatever------I was just givin' ya somethin' t'start with.....

let me know when you've gotten the code, so I can get it off of there......

DON'T USE THAT COUNTER------it won't work!!

Don't look Ronald------it'll give ya a headache!! ;)

thickandthin: That site's for a RESTAURANT?!?!?!

CHANGE THE COLORS!! They don't say "Family get-together"!!

Good Luck!!

[TheTree]

Whoops-----sorry......

I didn't realize you had a totally different website addy in your signature!! I was thinkin', when I read your signature, that the place we've been goin' to (with all the frames; the one in your original post) was the site for the restaurant......

[ionsurge]

You can use

www.angelfire.com/realm2/thedarkangel (uses frames)

or

www.angelfire.com/empire/horizon (uses tables)


If you want me to send you the source code, and files etc, give me a bell, and I will email it to you - and anyone else who wants it (along with .fla files etc)

[thickandthin]

I wish I was as good as you guys!

[redhead]

well i dont really like the frames, and most your visitors will probably feel the same...

this is a design you'll recognise, just its tables not frames... ;) feel free to use this in place of all them frames... just put your content where it needs to be......


<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title> TITLE HERE </title>
<meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="no">
<link rel="stylesheet" href="style.css" type="text/css">
</head>

<body>
<br>
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="700">
<tr>
<td colspan="3" class="green">

</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="top" colspan="3">
<a href="http://www.vcsource.tk/" border="0">
<img src="THE TOP IMAGE.jpg">
</a>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="3" class="green" align="right">
<a href="http://www.vcsource.tk/">www.vcsource.tk</a>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="3" class="blue">

</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blue" width="91">
YOUR LEFT COLUMN HERE
</td>
<td class="green" width="518">
YOUR MAIN CONTENT COLUMN HERE
</td>
<td class="blue" width="91">
THE RIGHT COLUMN HERE
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>
then use notepad or similar to save this as "style.css"...

body {
background-color: #b2cafa;
font-family: verdana;
text-align: center;
}
td.green {
font-size: 10pt;
background-color: #ccffcc;
}
td.blue {
font-size: 10pt;
background-color: #B2CAFA;
}
td.top {
background-color: #646464;
text-align: center;
}
a:link, a:visited, a:active {
color: #646464;
text-decoration: none;
}
a:hover {
color: #646464;
text-decoration: underline;
}


and build it up from there.

good luck :thumbsup:

[thickandthin]

Thanks!!!!!!!!!! OMG Thats awesome, 1 thing how do i get the link to go to the top? this is what it look like http://www.geocities.com/vicecitysource/stylesheet.html they are in the middle

[redhead]

this should do it...


<td valign="top" class="blue" width="91">
THE RIGHT COLUMN HERE
</td>


:thumbsup:

[thickandthin]

thanks you are the best!

[thickandthin]

how is it so far? http://www.geocities.com/vicecitysource/stylesheet.html

[TheTree]

It looks much, much-------MUCH-------better!!!

One thing I would suggest, now......

I clicked on "Articles"------it takes me to another page that lists the articles-----then ya have t'click on one of THOSE-------then, of course, it takes ya to yet another page......

you might want t'consider, something like this:

http://wsabstract.com/script/script2/tooltip.shtml

attached to your button/each button, on the FIRST page!!

Good job, Redhead!! BTW, I LOVE your "signature"-----"CEMENT?"-----TOO funny!!! LOL

[redhead]

thats much better. alot fresher now them frames are gone. :cool:

one small thing... the board ate up a little space in the code i gave you.... in the very first <td> there needs to be a &amp;nbsp; ... like this:


<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="700">
<tr>
<td colspan="3" class="green">
&amp;nbsp;
</td>


otherwise that top box looks a little deflated :o

as for my sig... i sure didnt make it up, cant remember where i heard it though...

[thickandthin]

i dont understand

[ionsurge]

Your site is A LOT better!

:thumbsup:

[ronaldb66]

Thickandthin,

way to go, great result! Feel free to ignore my comment on the colors chosen (although i'm getting used to them fast), because that's strickly personal.
I really like the layout, graphic's nice; still, there's always something to nag about :D :

Since you're using tables for layout anyway, i'd like to suggest setting the width of the outer table at 100%, instead of a fixed width of 700. That way, your pages will allways fill the available space nicely. You can think about setting the left and right column at a fixed width and have the centre column adjust to the available space. Of course, any tables nested inside here should be changed accordingly, so percentages for width there, too.

Futhermore, you might want to consider moving the "Order GTA Vice City" thingy further down the page (unless they're paying you big bucks for it!), so your own "News" block starts further up, getting the attention it deserves.

Above the page header there's a blank space; unless you really want it there, see if you can get rid of it; it seems to me like a waste of valuable room.

Lastly, pay attention to your code; i saw some examples of not-so-clean code that might get you in trouble lateron. Writing clean, correct code not only looks better but prevents getting unexpected results or errors on pickier browsers. Think about properly nesting tags, always using closing tags, placing attribute values in quotes, etc. Example: there's a chunk of code below the closing HTML-tag, which is supposed to be the last thing on a page!