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View Full Version : Paid For Songs off Napster...Cant Burn Cds Cuz of DRM?



Bry Man
08-11-2005, 12:15 AM
Hey

I recently subscribed to Napsters service thinking that it would be a great place to get songs for my new 30g Mp3 player....so I go and download a bunch of music and then try to burn them to cds for backups, but it wont let me!....Ive tried using several burning programs but none work....also I cant transfer them over to my mp3 player....this is really making me mad to say the least. I cant make use of the music i PAID for, is there anyway to get around the DRM crap so I can put these songs on my mp3 player or burn cds? Ive looked online and theres sites saying you can record the songs as they play....but so far i havent been able to do this, and I would rather have as little quality loss as possible. Any help is appreciated.

JamieR
08-11-2005, 12:43 AM
Well you've paid for them so you can transfer them to your mp3 player, so it shouldn't have DRM in them - you tried burning through iTunes?

Bry Man
08-11-2005, 01:14 AM
Well you've paid for them so you can transfer them to your mp3 player, so it shouldn't have DRM in them

One would be led to think that....however its not the case...the warnings I get when trying to burn them to cd or trnasfer them to my mp3 player are along the lines of "You dont have the proper rights/license/permissions to do this action" .... DRM at its finest. I dont have Itunes...do you think it would really make a difference, Napster has a "Burn" feature in it but I think you need to pay for that was well.....and whether the DRM is removed or not is still a question.

JamieR
08-11-2005, 01:29 AM
Well I'm not sure - seeing as they are MP3s with DRM, I don't think it will but I like to test several apps before I try something different. I think you might have to contact Napster and ask them for a copy unless they sell copies which are licenced to be copied to mp3 players and them which are not but I've never seen that anywhere before.

Bry Man
08-11-2005, 01:34 AM
Actually they are WMA's with DRM, ive tried several things so far, burning the songs to cds which failed, converting the wmas to mp3...no luck...right now im trying Itunes....I had it scan my hard drive for my WMAs....and now its converting them? to what? Ill let ya know how things go, but ive gotta go to work here pretty soon so I dunno if itll be done by the time i need to leave...ive got some 1,400 songs...all with DRM =(

JamieR
08-11-2005, 01:39 AM
Ah...they are WMAs - that'd explain the access denied messages when you're trying to drag and drop them onto your mp3 player (or were you trying through WMP?) - iTunes *might* work if you covert them to iTunes AAC format, but seeing as iTunes has to incorporate DRM, I'm not sure.

Bry Man
08-11-2005, 01:49 AM
I dont think the player supports that format =S, I was dragging and dropping them into the player....Itunes just told me it couldnt convert my downloaded songs....frustrating. This is my player http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16855102127 and it seems it only supports WMA/MP3/Wav =(. Would you think there is any programs out there that are free that would do the job for me...the ones ive seen are all paid for programs...and I really dont wanna pay for something only to have it not work and for me to never use it again.

EDIT: Went to work and it wasnt busy enough and the manager made a scheduling mistake so they sent me home for the time being....I go back in 3 hours.

Bry Man
08-11-2005, 03:30 AM
It seems that Ive got the newest version of DRM on these songs too....Ive tried using programs that were made for DRM released with Media player 7...and that doesnt work, ive got media player 10....maybe downgrading to an older version of windows media player would help? Nothing ive tried yet has done the trick..recording from the sound card is pretty much not an option as I have about 4 gigs of protected music that I got from Napster (love my cable connection) and that would literally take days.

rmedek
08-11-2005, 04:21 AM
From what I understand, Napster is a subscription service, not a pay-for-song service. So you don't own the songs. Rather, you're "renting" as many as you wish. So in a way the DRM makes sense.

(I know this because I played a "Live at Napster" taping not that long ago, and one of the programmers and I discussed the merits of Napster vs. iTunes...)

oracleguy
08-11-2005, 04:58 AM
From what I understand, Napster is a subscription service, not a pay-for-song service. So you don't own the songs. Rather, you're "renting" as many as you wish. So in a way the DRM makes sense.

(I know this because I played a "Live at Napster" taping not that long ago, and one of the programmers and I discussed the merits of Napster vs. iTunes...)

Yeah my understanding is that with Napster, as soon as you stop paying the monthly fee, you lose access to the music you downloaded.

Bry Man
08-11-2005, 07:54 AM
well isnt that crappy.....Really im trying the "7 day FREE" trial, which in reality is the pay 10 bucks and screw the free part...least thats what it is in my case, so im kinda irked at Napster right now, to make use of my 10 bucks they (according to me) stole from me, Ive downloaded 5 gigs of music in about 12 hours or so....and now they are all protected and I cant get em on my Mp3 player....some songs you must pay 99c per song, most are free but some are "pay for songs" and then there is a charge to burn cds too. No ideas on how to bypass the DRM protection...or is it considered stealing, I dont wanna get in trouble or nothing but ill be mighty peeved if I downloaded all this for nothing...and got 10 bucks stolen from me. Also I think your right, once your subscription runs out, you dont get to use your songs anymore...rather lame if you ask me...

rmedek
08-11-2005, 08:18 AM
im kinda irked at Napster right now, to make use of my 10 bucks they (according to me) stole from me, Ive downloaded 5 gigs of music in about 12 hours or so....
Well, next time read the small print. Were you expecting to own 5Gs of music for $10.00? That works out to about 2/10 of a cent for the songwriter for each song. Gee, thanks man. :rolleyes:

Bry Man
08-11-2005, 08:19 AM
Oh no, im just pissed that they say "free" trial, when in reality it means "we charge you anyways and still say its free"...

JamieR
08-11-2005, 10:44 AM
You might as well just use iTunes download music service (they come in iTunes AAC format don't they?) and then convert them to .mp3 for use on your mp3 player unless iTunes employs DRM tactics as well...

Bry Man
08-11-2005, 06:02 PM
Well ive gone about the pain stakingly long task of "recording" them from my soundcard...this is literally going to take days but its doing the trick...Im using a program called "TuneBite" which is doing its job. Hopefully I have a month long subscription now that I paid that 10 bucks, I dunno what else Ill be able to download tho since ive got everything I know of and like =). Thanx for the suggestions though guys

raf
08-12-2005, 12:14 AM
not that i have any morals at all, but you are obviously breaking the license terms and what you are doing is illegal so you shouldn't post about it or ask how to bypass the license resrictions (see our rules (1.4) http://www.codingforums.com/rules.htm )

let me see if i understand you correctly: you're complaining because Napster "got 10 bucks stolen from me" . What about the authers of the 2000 songs you've stolen...

rmedek
08-12-2005, 01:19 AM
Well ive gone about the pain stakingly long task of "recording" them from my soundcard...this is literally going to take days but its doing the trick...
Ah. Well, as a working musician, I'd like to at least call it even. Is there anything of yours that I can steal from you?

Bry Man
08-12-2005, 04:19 AM
Ya well I know its wrong, but like raf said "not that I have any morals at all"....If I liek the music I usually go out and pay for a cd....quality work deserves pay is how I see it....Ive downloaded many songs of fhte net and then bought the cds later on...for instance I downloaded some White Stripes songs off the net, I now own every one of their cds and am going to the concert in Berkely this saturday.....I figured it may be agaisnt the rules if I was flat out asking how to steal the music, I was also under the impression that I had actually paid for the songs...instead of just "renting" them. People will always find away to beat the best encryption, if record companys really cared they would spend less time complaining about us who "steal" their music ,even though they are trying to extort us as consumers, and more of that time and money trying to stop us. But Like I said, If the artist has good quality music I usually pay for it.

JamieR
08-12-2005, 11:42 AM
I suppose it's only 10 bucks you've lost, which is about 6 where I come from - an easier way would be to download the songs again from somewhere else, like iTunes music store (but wait, then they'd only work on iPod..)



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