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pbeesley
07-04-2005, 09:59 AM
Right here goes....

I'm really stuck...i need to...tell you what I'll start at the beggining.

I have a file structure which has folders (001,002,003,004 etc) and files within them (PeBe001 for me 'Pete Beesley' and say BiGa for Bill Gates) I need the page to automatically pick up the documnet name from the folders. There's ten different links per page and their all layers with individual naming.

Someone Please help me


Many Thanks :rolleyes:

jbot
07-04-2005, 10:17 AM
already posted on DevShed (http://forums.devshed.com/t269288/s.html).

mate, don't cross-post, even on different websites, since many of us use most or all of them. so, well see it all over the place. :thumbsup:

Bill Posters
07-04-2005, 11:18 AM
already posted on DevShed (http://forums.devshed.com/t269288/s.html).

mate, don't cross-post, even on different websites, since many of us use most or all of them. so, well see it all over the place. :thumbsup:

pbeesley, I'd say ignore that.
It's ridiculous to think of posting on different forums as 'cross-posting'.
If someone wishes to look for help on several different resources, then so be it.

jbot, if it bothers you to see the same (reasonable) question posted on more than one of the forums you visit, then I'd say lighten up or perhaps reduce the number of forums you visit. ;)

jbot
07-04-2005, 11:24 AM
jbot, if it bothers you to see the same (reasonable) question posted on more than one of the forums you visit, then I'd say lighten up or perhaps reduce the number of forums you visit.

so you don't mind wasting time on something that's already been answered elsewhere?!

Bill Posters
07-04-2005, 11:34 AM
so you don't mind wasting time on something that's already been answered elsewhere?!
Not to the extent I think it's reasonable to stop people asking elsewhere.
What we should be encouraging is the practice of having thread authors post the solution if one has been provided on another forum.

There's no guarantee than any single forum will be able to provide the best solution - or be able to do so in less time.
(I'd certainly prefer members to post across several forums in the hope of getting a quick response, than post in one forum stating how urgently a reponse is needed.)

Besides, if you happen to have seen the same post made on another forum, nobody is forcing you to 'waste your time' reading or responding to it again here (or on whichever forum you spot it a second/third/fourth/… time).

Willy Duitt
07-04-2005, 06:45 PM
You're preaching to the choir if you believe you can encourage people that cross-post their questions on multiple forums within minutes of eachother to return and update their threads that a solution has been found elsewhere... My years of experience has shown that maybe one in ten thousand will do so, the rest just grab their solution and move on without thought or care about all of the threads left hanging on the other forums... Not to return until they need something again, and then the cycle repeats itself...

I consider providing links to the numerous cross-posts a courtesy to other forum members so that they can check for themselves if the question has already been answered elsewhere before they possibly waste their time... Besides, it adds value to the archives and search feature by providing a pointer to the solution, albiet, off-site but the solution nonetheless...

.....Willy

BTW: Just as you believe Jbot doesn't have to answer...
You could try using your own advice and not read a post if you find it or the poster disagreeable...

Bill Posters
07-04-2005, 07:32 PM
I consider providing links to the numerous cross-posts a courtesy to other forum members so that they can check for themselves if the question has already been answered elsewhere before they possibly waste their time... Besides, it adds value to the archives and search feature by providing a pointer to the solution, albiet, off-site but the solution nonetheless...

.....Willy
So from what I understand, we're actually saying the same thing.


BTW: Just as you believe Jbot doesn't have to answer...
You could try using your own advice and not read a post if you find it or the poster disagreeable...
Disagreeing with someone's point isn't the same as objecting to their chance to post it.
I simply wanted to let pbeesley know that at least one other member here didn't agree with jbots' belief that people shouldn't post the same question on more than one forum simply because some a small portion of members here may also be members at other forums where the question might be posted.

If the OP does come back and post the solution - or a link to it - then that's good. If they don't, then I'm not going to lament that fact. That's just the way it goes.

Being a member of several forums, I sometimes see cross-forum posting. If I know that the query has been solved in another forum, I simply won't bother reading the duplicate query in this forum.
I won't do something which I consider to be wasting my time such as reading a post here which I know to have been made (and answered) elsewhere - and then moan about it.

Willy Duitt
07-04-2005, 07:44 PM
I too am an active member on several forums and the dynamics of all these forums is to try to answer every question posted to the board... As an example, look thru this forum and see how few question are not responded too... Thus, just because you are aware that the question was answered elsewhere, does not mean that all other members are aware... Many people look thru and try to answer those questions which have remained unresponded too, myself included... And my time can be better spent trying to answer a question that was not previously answered elsewhere... Fact is, someones unaswered question which is deserving of a response, may be left unanswered because the time was wasted on an already answered question...

.....Willy

Bill Posters
07-04-2005, 09:33 PM
I'm sure both of our times could be better spent not answering anyone else's questions at all - and quite probably, not responding in this thread.
Even though unwittingly answering a question which has already been answered elsewhere may be of little benefit to the person originally asking the question, the question and answer adds to the resource of knowledge to which other members can refer should they have the presence of mind to search before posting their query.
(The fact that many (most?) members probably don't search before posting is another of those 'forum ways of the world' that aren't worth getting too heated over.)


Thus, just because you are aware that the question was answered elsewhere, does not mean that all other members are aware
Then perhaps someone who is aware could pop in and post that the query has been solved elsewhere, possibly even with a link to the solution - all of which you've said.
However, at the point where jbot stepped in, it doesn't appear that, at least to jbot's knowledge, that a solution had been provided anywhere.
So whilst I agree that it's reasonable to pre-emptively short-circuit (for want of a better metaphor) threads that have been answered elsewhere, I think it's a bit premature to try to do that on threads where, to our knowledge, no solution has yet been provided elsewhere.

Anyhoo, it's entirely academic.

Either way, do we know if the original question has been answered elsewhere, because we surely don't seem to be doing it here.


Regarding unanswered questions, I also try to do that if I see one which I feel I may be able (and have time) to respond to, though I've not yet noticed a link which can gather and list unanswered posts. I only mention it as it seems a fairly common feature on most other forums I've visited.
It is certainly commendable that seemingly so few threads go unanswered here, presuming responses aren't as off-topic and tangential as those in this particular thread. ;)

[edit]
Ahaa, just spotted the 'today's unanswered posts' link on the forum index page.
I use the getnew search as my entry page for this forum which is presumably why I haven't spotted it here before.
It might be a good idea to have it appear somewhere on the getnew page as well.

Willy Duitt
07-04-2005, 09:48 PM
I'm sure both of our times could be better spent not answering anyone else's questions at all - and quite probably, not responding in this thread.
Even though unwittingly answering a question which has already been answered elsewhere may be of little benefit to the person originally asking the question, the question and answer adds to the resource of knowledge to which other members can refer should they have the presence of mind to search before posting their query.
(The fact that many (most?) members probably don't search before posting is another of those 'forum ways of the world' that aren't worth getting too heated over.)


Then perhaps someone who is aware could pop in and post that the query has been solved elsewhere, possibly even with a link to the solution - all of which you've said.
However, at the point where jbot stepped in, it doesn't appear that, at least to jbot's knowledge, that a solution had been provided anywhere.
So whilst I agree that it's reasonable to pre-emptively short-circuit (for want of a better metaphor) threads that have been answered elsewhere, I think it's a bit premature to try to do that on threads where, to our knowledge, no solution has yet been provided elsewhere.

Anyhoo, it's entirely academic.

Either way, do we know if the original question has been answered elsewhere, because we surely don't seem to be doing it here.


Regarding unanswered questions, I also try to do that if I see one which I feel I may be able (and have time) to respond to, though I've not yet noticed a link which can gather and list unanswered posts. I only mention it as it seems a fairly common feature on most other forums I've visited.
It is certainly commendable that seemingly so few threads go unanswered here, presuming responses aren't as off-topic and tangential as those in this particular thread. ;)

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Ahaa, just spotted the 'today's unanswered posts' link on the forum index page.
I use the getnew search as my entry page for this forum which is presumably why I haven't spotted it here before.
It might be a good idea to have it appear somewhere on the getnew page as well.

You're missing my point entirely... Providing a link to cross-posts allows anyone wishing to respond or even those availing themselves of the search feature at a latter date the ability to check on the status of the same question posted elsewhere... Myself, other than providing the links, I don't bother with whether the question is or is not answered... Much like a prosecutor whom looks at every defendant as quilty for ten times the number of crimes than which they are charged with... I look at cross-posters much the same way... I may know of one or two other sites that they cross-posted their questions on, but do I know them all?? Anyway, you're correct... This is all acedemic... I'm just pointing out that Jbot and myself are likeminded and wished to support his position since you made a point of singling him out as if his logic was flawed... Personally, I feel that your logic is flawed but that is my opinion which I am entitled too as you are yours...

BTW: The link to all unaswered questions appears on the forum front page... http://www.codingforums.com/unanswered.php

.....Willy

Willy Duitt
07-04-2005, 10:10 PM
BTW: With due apologies to the original poster and in no way holding him/her as an example...

Although this discussion has gone off topic... I do not find it unworthy of attention as this subject is something which is generally swept under the rug in favor of bringing new members in...

Quite frankly, I more welcome someone whom joins this community, and yes, forums are a community... And becomes an active member, both by asking challenging questions as well as answering those question they are able... The fact is, cross-posters are selfish by nature... They have no intention of becoming part of the community... They are only here to take what they can and move on, only to return again when they need something else... It's like having a network of persons to do your work for you, and simply multiplied exponentially by the number of forums you cross-post the same question on... Should we pander to these people or should we make them aware that their poor netiquette will not be rewarded... Personally, I have no problems with cross-posting as long as you give any particular forum adequate time to respond... Copying and pasting your question from one forum to another, within minutes of eachother is rude... What do these people do? Sit back and await for someone else to do their work for them?

Responses are welcomed...

.....Willy

Bill Posters
07-04-2005, 10:24 PM
You're missing my point entirely... Providing a link to cross-posts allows anyone wishing to respond or even those availing themselves of the search feature at a latter date the ability to check on the status of the same question posted elsewhere...
You're right, I was quite seeing the point you were making, but I now get what you're saying.
Yes, it's a good idea to link to cross-posts, for some, though not all, imho, of the reasons you mention.


Myself, other than providing the links, I don't bother with whether the question is or is not answered... Much like a prosecutor whom looks at every defendant as quilty for ten times the number of crimes than which they are charged with... I look at cross-posters much the same way... I may know of one or two other sites that they cross-posted their questions on, but do I know them all?? Anyway, you're correct... This is all acedemic... I'm just pointing out that Jbot and myself are likeminded and wished to support his position since you made a point of singling him out as if his logic was flawed...
I 'singled him out' as he was the only one I've ever heard voice such a view, until of course, you popped in, at which time I 'singled' you out too.
(The point being that I didn't actually 'single' anyone out.)

The original point I was trying to make wasn't one primarily concerned with the inherent logic, logistics or efficacy of cross-posting on different sites, but one about whether it was right to discourage posts being made on the apparent basis that it might prove repetitive or inconvenient to members who might frequent more than one forum.

As I've said, I do now appreciate the idea of linking to cross-posts, but I would still stop short of asking/insisting that members don't do it.



BTW: The link to all unaswered questions appears on the forum front page... http://www.codingforums.com/unanswered.php

.....Willy
Ta, perhaps I'll bear that in mind next time I have some time to spare and am feeling particularly generous, or should that be 'reckless' given that the poster may be wasting my time? ;)
I certainly don't plan to look around to make sure I'm not pandering to a selfish cross-poster. Now that really would be wasting my time. ;)

Until I know otherwise, I'm happy to take their request for help at face value and provide help if I'm able. I'm happy to consider people, even those who cross-post as people who are genuinely in a bit of a tizzy about getting help solving a particular problem. Given pbeesley's low post count, it would hardly appear that s/he is repeatly abusing the generosity of web development forum members, at least not at the only two forums where I know pbeesley to be a member.

Willy Duitt
07-04-2005, 11:39 PM
Quite frankly, I know for a fact that my linking to this forum from other forums has brought new members in... True, vicey versey is the norm as well... Bottom line... I feel it brings the best of the best together...

As for insisting or rather suggesting that members not cross post upon numerous forums... That will never work by the mere reason they do it... They think others will not know... That they are somehow smarter than the rest of us and are getting something over on us... Heck, I take particular pleasure in busting out people whom post under varying usernames... Moreso, when I find they often change their usernames to avoid my attention... This all adds credence to my ascertations that these cross-posters are rude, selfish abusers not worthy of our knowledgeable attention... They're probably sitting back drinking cokes and coffee while we, looking for a diversion from our tasks are doing their work for them... Hmmmm... What do you think happens when noone responds?? I know... They send me a P/M stating I suck for posting a link to their cross-posts... Wonder why I have turned off P/M's??

GO ILLINI
07-05-2005, 06:56 AM
the post that went bad...
and way off-topic

Willy Duitt
07-05-2005, 07:59 AM
the post that went bad...
and way off-topic

Yep... If you have been paying attention, we realized that long ago... :rolleyes:
And although I welcomed responses to our off topic discussion...
With 12 posts on the board, stating the obvious is the best you have to offer???

Bill Posters
07-05-2005, 08:51 AM
…They think others will not know... That they are somehow smarter than the rest of us and are getting something over on us... Heck, I take particular pleasure in busting out people whom post under varying usernames... Moreso, when I find they often change their usernames to avoid my attention... This all adds credence to my ascertations that these cross-posters are rude, selfish abusers not worthy of our knowledgeable attention... They're probably sitting back drinking cokes and coffee while we, looking for a diversion from our tasks are doing their work for them... Hmmmm... What do you think happens when noone responds?? I know... They send me a P/M stating I suck for posting a link to their cross-posts... Wonder why I have turned off P/M's??
You old cynic. ;)

I've never had an issue when I see the same post at more than one forum.
I help as and when I can. If that sometimes means my times been wasted, then so be it. I strongly doubt the time of anyone here (or on any typical web dev forum) is so precious that they absolutely mustn't have it wasted.


Tbh, if the dubious manner in which you've responded to GO ILLINI is typical of how you respond to some people, then it's probably little surprise that your inbox has attracted a certain amount of flack.
Far be it from me to offer advice, but it honestly sounds to me like you could do with lightening up a bit and not taking what, at the end of the day, is only an online forum, a distraction from our own work, so seriously or treat it in such an uptight or regimented way, presumably with the hope of fashioning the forum into something which suits you better.
Let it be what it is and don't let the bits which you don't like bother you.


Anyway,… it's all good. :)

Willy Duitt
07-05-2005, 09:49 AM
Hmmm... Ironically, my business is not scripting, it is construction which explains my in your face attitude... I call them as I see them... And I have to say, I find scripting a welcome diversion from my everyday tasks and responsiblities... But, when I needed to develope my business website and had problems hiring a programmer whom was able to meet my expectations, I recall spending a year, if not a year and a half on these forums availing myself of the search feature and reading nearly every post... I have learned the little I know on these forums and it wasn't until the scripts I practiced answering were as good, if not better than those others were offering that I even began to post... So yes, I can easily spot somone whom did not bother to do a simple search or those whom are trying to get others to do their work for them... Cynic, no... Realist, yes...

As for whether my response to GO ILLINI was dubious or typical...
Please explain to me why I should bother extending any courtesy to a dumbass whom states the obvious for no other reason than to state the obvious???

And do you know what... I'm tiring of verbaly sparring with you because I find you more of a dumbass than the dumbass whom states the obvious...

.....Willy

Bill Posters
07-05-2005, 10:25 AM


As for whether my response to GO ILLINI was dubious or typical...
Please explain to me why I should bother extending any courtesy to a dumbass whom states the obvious for no other reason than to state the obvious???

And do you know what... I'm tiring of verbaly sparring with you because I find you more of a dumbass than the dumbass whom states the obvious...

.....Willy
I take it you believe that you only consider it as 'noise' when other people make worthless comments such as those.
No rules but your rules, right?

You would have thought that someone working in construction would know how to be more constructive.

:sigh:

Willy Duitt
07-05-2005, 08:07 PM
I take it you believe that you only consider it as 'noise' when other people make worthless comments such as those.
No rules but your rules, right?

You would have thought that someone working in construction would know how to be more constructive.

:sigh:

No, the fact is... I do not tolerate someone marking time...
If I am going to pay you, do a days work for a days pay...

Forum wise... No it is not my rules...
But I stand behind my observation that you are a dumbass, simply because you continue to wish to argue, all the while with your cleverly disquised insults...

If nothing else, I'm straight up and call a dumbass a dumbass...
And your sarcasm is not lost on me, dumbass!!

.....Willy

Bill Posters
07-05-2005, 08:40 PM
Seems you've found a level you're comfortable at.
If you have anything more to add, please put it in a PM to me and stop polluting this thread.

Willy Duitt
07-05-2005, 08:43 PM
Seems you've found a level you're comfortable at.

I suppose... :p
And it seems as if your dumbass sarcasm has no end...

....Willy

Willy Duitt
07-05-2005, 08:56 PM
Seems you've found a level you're comfortable at.
If you have anything more to add, please put it in a PM to me and stop polluting this thread.

Last edited by Bill Posters : 07-05-2005 at 03:48 PM.

Ha-Ha...

You editted your post because why??
If you have something to say...
Just say it dumbass!!

.....Willy

jkd
07-05-2005, 09:21 PM
This is crap. And closed. Grow up Willy.

WA
07-06-2005, 03:31 AM
Willy:
It seems every few weeks I get a complaint from someone new regarding your rudeness, and we've certainly had this conversation many times in the past. It's beginning to look like you feel you're above the rules when it comes to being courteous when posting. At some point a line needs to be drawn, despite the fact that you've been a very helpful member on CF on many occasions, and your account will be revoked. As always, it is always up to you.



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