Is it illegal to put a song DIRECTLY on my site?

[SSJVegeta]

ok, i have a game site, and i want Linkin Park - Papercut on there. Would it HAVE to be a MIDI file, or could i just use the song off the CD? if i cant use it off the CD, would i have to ask permission to use it?

http://www.theimmortalsaiya-jins.vze.com/

[joh6nn]

well, theoretically, you could embed an mp3 on your site, it would just take forever to download. and, it would be a violation of copyright. you'd have to ask their permission first. good luck on that, though.

i THINK that a midi would be fine, under the fair use clause, but i'm no law expert, so don't hold me to any of this, 'cause i have no idea what i'm talking about. if someone else knows better, listen to them, and not me.

[SSJVegeta]

lol, OK. ill just ask them if i can use it....hopefully they'll say yes..cuz that song 0wnz

[ddubs]

Listen...the worst they can do is make you take it off the site...I would embed an mp3 right onto the site.

First, convert the song into an Mp3 from your audio CD or locate the Mp3 on your computer. Maybe download it from Kazaa or Morpheus.
Second, upload the file to your server. Such as, Papercut.mp3. Windows media files work too, such as Papercut.wma.
Then, once the file is on your server...put this code wherever your heart desires...


<object id="MediaPlayer1" width=180 height=200
classid="CLSID:22D6F312-B0F6-11D0-94AB-0080C74C7E95"
codebase="http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2inf.cab#Version=5,1,52,701"
standby="Loading Microsoft® Windows® Media Player components..."
type="application/x-oleobject" align="middle">
<param name="FileName" value="Papercut.mp3">
<param name="ShowStatusBar" value="True">
<param name="DefaultFrame" value="mainFrame">
<embed type="application/x-mplayer2"
pluginspage = "http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/"
src="Papercut.mp3" align="middle"
width=176
height=144
defaultframe="rightFrame"
showstatusbar=true>
</embed>
</object>


this should work....I wouldn't sweat it.

send me a link to your site, I'd like to check out the game.

:thumbsup:

[MCookie]

> > Is it illegal to put a song DIRECTLY on my site?

Yes it is. Copying a song from a CD is illegal, putting it on your site violates your host/provider's (Geocities, VZE) terms of service (your accounts may be terminated) and, ddubs, encouraging to do so violates the TOS of this forums...

[ddubs]

But is it still illegal if you are only playing it...rather than providing a download...

For Example, Kazaa and countless other filesharing apps freely distribute any and every file you could ever want? If it is so illegal, how come I can get music from there still.

I am sure you are right and it is illegal, but I am not distributing illegal copy's of anything or even providing a download for that matter. I am in essance, playing my own music on the internet for gamers to hear. Is that an FCC violation or something?

And in my own defense, I did not encourage anyone to do anything. I simply stated what I would do and have done for that matter. I guess I am a regular every-day ********..LOL...hope they don't throw me in jail.

But thank your for you consern as to my criminal behavior.

Don't listen to me, Copyright infringement is serious business. You should call up Lincoln Park and ask...But I wouldn't.

:eek:

[ddubs]

Originally posted by SSJVegeta


http://www.theimmortalsaiya-jins.vze.com/

I just checked your site out...I see that you are already giving out music...ACDC even ...

But It makes me download it. I don't want to keep it, I couldn't even get it to play in your browser.

I would advise using the snippet I gave you, It will play automatically, without a download. And it was in-fact just shown to me by a member of this site, and I am using it on many of my sites.

Good luck.

[joh6nn]

videos that you rent or buy have warnings on them that say that playing them for a large public audience is illegal. why? all your doing is playing your video for other people to see. ...except that the video is actually somebody else's creation, it's the cumulation of their hard work, and you've payed to own a copy of it, you haven't payed for it. and all of these other people who are seeing your copy of the video, they haven't payed for that copy, and therefore, haven't payed for the right to see it. and since you own the copy, and not the actual content of that video, it is not your call to say who can and can not see that video. that right belongs to the guys who made the video.

the same thing applies to music. the people who come to your site, they didn't necessarily pay for the right to hear that music, so unless you get the permission of the people who made that music, you're stealing from them. radios work like this, even if you don't think they do; they have the permission of the record companies ( who want exposure ), and they also pay the record companies, with money that comes from advertising. the music that you hear on the radio "for free", has been payed for. likewise, the movies that you see on tv "for free", well, you payed for the cable, and the cable company payed for the rights to show that movie.

as far as kazaa is concerned: shoplifiting is illegal. if i try it in a small store, where the owner can see me where ever i go, i'll most likely get caught. if i try it in a big store, where people can't always see what i'm doing ( like the internet ), my chances of getting away with are lots higher. but just because i can get away with it easily in a large store ( the internet ), doesn't mean it's not illegal.

and napster got shut down, didn't they? and audio-galaxy too. and kazaa is in court right now. and the RIAA is now looking at taking on individual file sharers. there are bills before congress that aim to make it legal for the RIAA and Hollywood to crack your computer, and see if you have any pirated files.

[ddubs]

I'm sure it is illegal. Absolutely. And I understand what rights a person or group of people have to the material they have copyrighted.

But until they put their foot down on every single site playing even the smallest bit of copyrighted material, and those bills in congress get passed, and penalties are declared as such. I will continue to support file sharing in every way, shape, and form. Especially, in the manner that this kid wants to on his site, a site which less than 1% of the population will ever see and hear.

It is pointless to argue over. At no time in the near or relatively near future will people be held responsible with any kind of serious criminal charges for playing a song or two on a freely served site. Even napster just got "shut-down". And I think that is the extend to which any such cases will be persued.

[brothercake]

Originally posted by ddubs
At no time in the near or relatively near future will people be held responsible with any kind of serious criminal charges for playing a song or two on a freely served site.

You say that, but only a few years ago it would have been unthinkable for ISPs to be held legally accountible for traffic merely passing through their servers. But it's happening now.

Times change very quickly; the "freedoms" we take for granted today can be revoked tomorrow; just like that; not so much as a by-your-leave.

So I think it's very likely that, in the not too distant future, a number of individual file-sharing users will be "made examples of" - held criminally accountable for what are actually very minor copyright infirngements.

[joh6nn]

verizon is in the process of getting a whooping, because they won't hand over the names of heavy file sharers to the RIAA. they're going after people NOW.

and even if they weren't, what you're saying is either that the likelihood that you won't be caught makes it ok, or that because you're not stealing very much, it's ok. neither of those, whichever one it is you're defending, stand up to scrutiny.

[ddubs]

Maybe not able to stand up to scrutiny, but all I am saying is that I don't see them cracking down on small offenders like myself and many others like me.

I guess we'll have to wait and see. If I am wrong I'll be the first to admit it, but again, I don't see any serious penalties coming anytime soon. Not to the guy streaming 5 songs on a site as a bootleg soundtrack or something.

I know there are people who feel the same as I do. But it is obviously a controversial subject.

Your friendly internet pirate...
ddubs

[SSJVegeta]

wow....ok...i didnt think this many people would reply...:( so...im gonna have to think about everything that everyone has said. I thought it would only be illegal is I GAINED anything from it. (ex: money) But this is just to add to the site, nothin that I MYSELF gain anything from. I like Linkin Park, and all i want to do if just have there music on my site. im not trying to do anything illegal, or try to gain money from it, i just want the people viewing the site to have a more enjoyable time......thats all.....:(

[zoobie]

You won't receive an answer from Linkin Park or anyone else for that matter. Record lables receive 250,000 requests to allow web-based muzik a week.

One alternative may be to cut your favorite part of the song and loop it. This way, the whole song isn't being played and the loading will be much quicker. :D

[ddubs]

good luck buddy...

you are on the right track.

let that ACDC go though...lol, jk.

take it easy.

[SSJVegeta]

lol, hey d00d, cmon, AC/DC pwns! :D hmmm....i know...ill cut 1 second out! MUAHAHHHAHAHAAHAA! :D


hmmm....how do u make an infinite loop? can u plz tell me wut i have to add to this?:

<object id="MediaPlayer1" width=180 height=200
classid="CLSID:22D6F312-B0F6-11D0-94AB-0080C74C7E95"
codebase="http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2inf.cab#Version=5,1,52,701"
standby="Loading Microsoft® Windows® Media Player components..."
type="application/x-oleobject" align="middle">
<param name="FileName" value="Papercut.mp3">
<param name="ShowStatusBar" value="True">
<param name="DefaultFrame" value="mainFrame">
<embed type="application/x-mplayer2"
pluginspage = "http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/"
src="Papercut.mp3" align="middle"
width=176
height=144
defaultframe="rightFrame"
showstatusbar=true>
</embed>
</object>

[ddubs]

I'm not sure of an easy way to loop part of your file. I know you could do it in something like ACID, Sound Forge, Cakewalk, or another recording program.
The code above will work as long as your filename is "Papercut.mp3". If your file is named something else, just change the code where is says src="Papercut.mp3" in both instances.
Any song you want to add you can just change the name of the file in the script.
GOod LUck:thumbsup:

[oracleguy]

Originally posted by ddubs


For Example, Kazaa and countless other filesharing apps freely distribute any and every file you could ever want? If it is so illegal, how come I can get music from there still.


Thats because it takes for ever for the music companies to sue them and win. Then getting them shut down.

I suggest you all look at http://www.whatiscopyright.org/


Oh and if I visited your site and it started downloading this large MP3, i'd probably leave and never come back. The background music fad is dead.

[ddubs]

Originally posted by oracleguy
Oh and if I visited your site and it started downloading this large MP3, i'd probably leave and never come back. The background music fad is dead.

Streaming data, doesn't have to download.

And if a 15 yr old kid wants to have background music, I don't think he is trying to be a part of any fad.

who really cares what you would do if there was music on a site?

I like the idea...but who cares about that either?

[zoobie]

Originally posted by ddubs


Streaming data, doesn't have to download.



This is true. All you need is a $40 a month super-fast connection to hear it. :D

[ddubs]

Originally posted by zoobie


This is true. All you need is a $40 a month super-fast connection to hear it. :D

yep, which is basically the standard for the web these days...

and thats why you ask your viewers if they would like to hear the music or not. which for the matter of discussion, on this kids page. he did exactly that....

problem solved.

[jkd]

Originally posted by ddubs


yep, which is basically the standard for the web these days...

Dialup is still very popular (unpopular for those who are forced to use it). I seem to think ~50% of US surfer's are on it, but that may be plus or minus about 20% which still doesn't really qualify as industry standard status.

[ddubs]

ok...so you think highspeed internet is not industry standard....you are probably right about what "you seem to think" to be the estimates. but even if it was the standard...that don't mean that most people will use it. and if your estimate is off 20% on the plus side, like you said it could be. that could be pretty close to standard, no?

if xhtml is now industry standard...how come much less than half the web pages on the net actually use it?

but at least the problem can stil lbe solved by prompting the user for either a highspeed or dialup connection.
:)

[jkd]

Originally posted by ddubs
if xhtml is now industry standard...how come much less than half the web pages on the net actually use it?

You severely misinterpretted my statement in the other thread. Read it again. XHTML as a standard means a W3C web-standard, which in turn does not always equal industry standard.

[SSJVegeta]

lol, Ddubs is right. I DONT CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK! LOL! fads.....thats a good one...


ok, well if some of u VISITED the site, i put up an Entergate that asks if u want music, or if u choose to not have it

BTW, i have Cable Modem, and it is pretty fast, and it only takes a few SECONDS to here ALL of the music. Ill ask one of my friends wit 56k to goto the Music part and see how long it takes to hear the whole thing

[ddubs]

Originally posted by jkd
XHTML as a standard means a W3C web-standard, which in turn does not always equal industry standard.

Ok, so xhtml is only a w3c standard. Well that I knew. I just thought you meant it was industry standard. My mistake.

But I still think that more people are using highspeed these days than anything. And if its not the "industry standard" now...it will be soon. How long can there be people browsing at 56k or less? Maybe its just cause I live in new york. I am ussually wrong though...I'll look into it.

oh yeah and since you took the energy to put your 2 cents in on this post, why not help me figure out how to set my DNS through IIS? lol, I got little responses, and I'm sure you could guide me in the right direction. The post is down a few.

THANKS!!:D

[oracleguy]

Originally posted by jkd


Dialup is still very popular (unpopular for those who are forced to use it). I seem to think ~50% of US surfer's are on it, but that may be plus or minus about 20% which still doesn't really qualify as industry standard status.

If I remember correctly from this Microsoft Developers conference i went to a few months back the guy said that in the US 45% of the population has at least 56k internet access (the rest that have net access are running on slower speeds) and then 30% of the 45% have some broadband technology or another for internet access. But i may be slightly off but it sounds right...

Oh and I take back my comment about the music. I didn't notice that it had an option to turn it off .:o