firefox problem with brothercake simple menu

[gmn17]

at http://www.msmc.la.edu/pages/806.asp and the main at 277.asp, the brothercake simple menu on the left column will have the same old crap I seen before problem of the menu disappearing when the mouse goes below the parent div so to speak, while the mouse is over the main content area, the menu is a virtual include, any help would be appreciated, this is not a problem in IE6 or Safari in OSX, as usual the mozilla geeks can't get out of the old netscape ego bloat and hog the memory for no good reason bs and is starting more and more to act like the mozilla 1.x pieces of crap.

[gmn17]

the problem I just described does happen randomly as apparently the ugly outline lines on links do happen also on IE6, so give it time.

[jkd]

at http://www.msmc.la.edu/pages/806.asp and the main at 277.asp, the brothercake simple menu on the left column will have the same old crap I seen before problem of the menu disappearing when the mouse goes below the parent div so to speak, while the mouse is over the main content area, the menu is a virtual include, any help would be appreciated, this is not a problem in IE6 or Safari in OSX, as usual the mozilla geeks can't get out of the old netscape ego bloat and hog the memory for no good reason bs and is starting more and more to act like the mozilla 1.x pieces of crap.

Much anger, in you. It works fine for me in Camino 0.84, which uses the 1.7 branch of Mozilla (which Firefox 1.0.x does as well). Could you elaborate upon the problem a little more sans the Mozilla trolling?

[gmn17]

the problem is sporadic but if you click on the library sitemap and then try to use the menu, the problem shows up more often, as for the browsers, they all are bad and it is ridiculous that everything has to be a hack to get things to work.

[_Aerospace_Eng_]

If your site looks bad in Firefox, then it means you have bad coding. Firefox shows you what you code, IE shows you what it thinks you want to see.

[gmn17]

If your site looks bad in Firefox, then it means you have bad coding. Firefox shows you what you code, IE shows you what it thinks you want to see.
that may be true but they all suck to me and I am sure not about to do some weird pledge of allegiance to any of them, I am sure some of you guys have seen this type of problem before, I am no super coder, I can understand criticism of my coding, it doesn't bother me at all, it really does help and I appreciate it. At the site I am talking about I have no control over it and have to work with it, I am going to take the sitemap out as firefox shows me the errors with it and it is too hard a script for me to take the time to fix, I still would like to know the general type of problem this is so I can avoid it in the future(the brothercake menu child ul cutting off below the parent when overlapping another part of the page).

[_Aerospace_Eng_]

I can't regenerate the error, it seems to work fine for me. I'm using Firefox 1.0.4

[jkd]

If your site looks bad in Firefox, then it means you have bad coding. Firefox shows you what you code, IE shows you what it thinks you want to see.

That's a fallacy. I've been promoting Mozilla in these forums (and the old ones) since before M12, but I won't believe for one instant that the latest Gecko branch is the standard of comparison for "correct" behavior. It's correct enough is most cases, but when it comes to particular Javascript or CSS examples, you gotta use your head instead of blanket assumptions. This goes for any browser (Safari, Konqueror, Opera 8, etc).

In any case, it appears we cannot replicate the problem. Perhaps if you could take a screenshot and attach it to the thread, we may be able to guess the problem.

[jbot]

have you email Britherbun himself (sans abuse, insults and general ranting)? he may be better placed to help, after all he baked it himself. :thumbsup:

[gmn17]

have you email Britherbun himself (sans abuse, insults and general ranting)? he may be better placed to help, after all he baked it himself. :thumbsup:

I am a little to embarassed to tell him, since it is probably my fault for messing it up in firefox and sure enough, today the webmaster told me how virtual includes from a td column act over the main content area, so I figured it out from the ancient com request that the site uses and told him to put height values in, and I reset the height values in the content area and it works now. thanks for helping and ok I was ranting but did not mean to abuse or insult. I am sure I'll have plenty of problems later with this site as I am trying to at least get the 508 stuff ready and able to be offered, the only thing I can do right now is separate my content and try to validate for accessibility, I do not know what good that would do for the site I have to put it back into. but at least it will be set with the right code, I will not hack to get it to work within the site, I will just keep telling them that sooner or later that offering a print version is not enough.

[gmn17]

this place seems to have the same problem I am talking about:

http://www.auditmypc.com/free-firewalls.asp

when you click on misc in firefox, it is hard to keep the menu working.

[jbot]

when you click on misc in firefox, it is hard to keep the menu working.

agreed. yes, it does. you're right!

[brothercake]

It's okay until you move your mouse over where the iframe is, and that's when it goes wrong. An event is firing outside the tree, hence the menu closes.

I'm not really sure why though, but there seems to be a tiny java applet in it, and that might responsible - applets have infinite z-order in most browsers.

Can you move the iframe? That would be the simplest solution.

[jbot]

@brothercake:

how does your RTLing work? Does it conform to the Bidi algorithym, or does it simply reverse the sequence of letters. In Arabic sentences, you can have both Western European and Arabic characters, the former being LTR and the latter, of course, being RTL. However, your menu reverses both character sets. Any thoughts?

[brothercake]

The script doesn't do anything special in respect of RTL languages, so whatever is happening is "out of the box", so to speak.

Can you show the page you're using it on? I may be to suggest some tweaks..

[jbot]

note the text in the page headline does not reverse out, whereas the menu text does, which it should not do for Western European characters. :confused:



<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html dir="rtl">
<head>
<title>UDM4 Menus</title>

<!-- ULTIMATE DROP DOWN MENU Version 4.3 by Brothercake -->
<!-- http://www.udm4.com/ -->
<script type="text/javascript" src="udm-custom.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" src="udm-control.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" src="udm-style.js"></script>
</head>



<body>
<h1>UDM4 Trial</h1>

<div id="container">
<ul id="udm" class="udm">
<li><a href="/">Home</a></li>

<li>
<a href="/menu/">About</a>
<ul>
<li><a href="/">Us</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Them</a></li>
</ul>
</li>

<li>
<a href="/menu/">News</a>
<ul>
<li><a href="/">Headlines</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Archive</a></li>
</ul>
</li>

<li>
<a href="/contact/">Contact</a>
<ul>
<li><a href="/">Edinburgh</a></li>
<li><a href="/">USA Office</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</div>

<script type="text/javascript" src="udm4/udm-resources/udm-dom.js"></script>
</body>

[brothercake]

Is that a complete page? You haven't included a language token or character encoding - you're not gonna get the right output without those things.

[jbot]

You haven't included a language token or character encoding - you're not gonna get the right output without those things.

no, it won't. without a charset declaration it will just default to Western (ISO 8859-1). even if I declare it as UTF-8, it still doesn't work. basically, you've got English characters flipping round, which it should not do.

[brothercake]

Yeah, but you can't put english text on a western-encoded page, slap RTL directionality on it and expect it to come out in any kind of sensible way - english is not an RLT language; ISO-8859-1 is not an RTL encoding.

If you're not working in an RTL language, why are you using that directionality? If you are, well show us a demo in that language and encoding, and then it might be debuggable from there.

[gmn17]

I am still using the menu at http://www.msmc.la.edu/pages/277.asp because it is such a good menu, I should have been clearer in stating the problem was more the site than the menu, it seems that the sites' css somehow was putting in firefox only for some reason a transparent 2px border?(best I can describe it) around each submenu link and causing the menu to timeout when the mouse went over the "borders"?(again the best way I can describe it, I even lengthened considerably the timeout and it still disappeared), anyways, I got the site admin to stop hogging every element in their style sheets and are also gonna put a doctype on the site, it works great, I didn't have to do anything to the script except for trying to inline style the borders. that worked, but I now have removed all the crazy style=border:0 for each link in the menu since the sites css is not so proprietary any more, I really appreciate such a good menu and am very grateful, that is the only site I use this menu, it seems to be the student's choice since no one complains about it like the other menus I used in the past. In my criticism of firefox, I have the identical win 2k at work and home and also the firefox browser, it acts very fast at home(verizon wireless) but is very slow here at work on the macs also, while IE and Safari are very fast, it may just be firefox not working well on a large network. I use firefox 99% of the time at home and have no problems with it. this page http://www.freewebs.com/gmn17/ the little windows maximize very fast on IE, Safari at work and just as fast the firefox at home, but when I use firefox at work, the windows do this painful jerking resize, oh well.

[gmn17]

Happy to report Firefox 1.5 works very well with the Brothercake menu over an iframe now. I use iframes and form elements to make sure any scripts I use will work as I never know what the rest of the site is going to do, again thanx for a really good script.

correction, had to redo our homepage to a one column design
use our research page http://www.msmc.la.edu/pages/806.asp instead to see the Brothercake menu on the left column.