[FOR HIRE] Newbie Designer

[...{chris}...]

Hello, I am a beginning web designer. I know HTML/CSS, and little Flash. Im currently working on learnign Action Script and will be taking Java scripting as a year long course starting in the fall. I would like to get my hands into the web design world. Will work for free, need to get some sites going in a portfolio. Im looking for some work to do.

I know the following programs:
-Dreamweaver
-Fireworks
-Flash MX 2004

Thanks.
_chris
Anyone need a site redesign? ;)


Personal Website (http://www.freewebs.com/endlessxxhopes/index.html)

[_Aerospace_Eng_]

You might want to show some samples of your work, and you also you might want to put [FOR HIRE] in your thread title like it says in the posting rules for this forum or your thread is likely going to be deleted it.

[Crake]

you spelt learning wrong :thumbsup:

you might wanna make sure your spelling is rite before you take on jobs for web development

[...{chris}...]

Sorry, was in process of a heated arguement.

^Learning^

_chris

[muhaidib]

looks like you got alot to learn :)

quality is below average,, be a bit more creative bro,,

here this is my site,, PHP and advance CSS/HTML

www.7des.com

[JPigford]

Chris, one thing that was great for me to learn apps better as well as build a portfolio was to do "fake" band projects. Make up some fictional band and build as if it were really some bands page. That helped a lot. Doing pro bono work is great for building a portfolio but that portfolio needs to have top notch work. Having a portfolio of 20-30 pieces is no good if 90% of them suck. You'd be better of with 2-3 stellar ones that you are proud of.

muhaidib, you probably should take a bit of your own advice. your designs are hardly ground breaking and certainly aren't "advanced CSS"...heck, you're using tables man.

[Brandoe85]

looks like you got alot to learn :)
here this is my site,, PHP and advance CSS/HTML
www.7des.com

With a marquee tag?? :rolleyes:

[_Aerospace_Eng_]

looks like you got alot to learn :)

quality is below average,, be a bit more creative bro,,

here this is my site,, PHP and advance CSS/HTML

www.7des.com
Muhaidib your site was done in tables, you used the center tag, you have no doctype, you used some deprecated code like the align attribute. Your page doesn't even validate (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.7des.com%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&verbose=1). Chris just said he wants to learn more and that he would even work for free. He also has only 3 errors, lack of two alt attributes and no character encoding but thats much less than the amount of errors on your site, so looks like you have a lot to learn.

[JamieR]

Advanced erroneous html :D

[mark87]

There there, he only wants to help people! :rolleyes:

But Chris, I think you indeed should spend more time developing your skills than offering to do websites for other people for now. :)

[...{chris}...]

So if I were to develop some fake band site... Should I just grab some pictures off Google? Perhaps develop with some photos I could take. Of school, nature, city life, just whatever is out there. Thanks for the advice guys.

_chris

[_Aerospace_Eng_]

If you do take photos off of google, make sure you ask permission from the owners if you can use them. You might want to look around for a free stock photo site, so you can use those images without worrying about copyright issues.

[...{chris}...]

I was thinking about that soon after the post I made. Thanks again!

_chris

[newmand2]

for free stock photos check out http://www.sxc.hu

[...{chris}...]

Thanks :) Much help.

_chris

[muhaidib]

huh,,, say HTML,,,

HTML MY ***


so i copied the site,, and just called it index_copy(1).html

look at what it would look like with out anything else!!

happy broswing,, don't get tricked by the looks!!

http://www.7des.com/index_copy(1).html <--- HTML ,, no code change

http://www.7des.com/index.php <---- PHP,, no code change

[muhaidib]

Muhaidib your site was done in tables, you used the center tag, you have no doctype, you used some deprecated code like the align attribute. Your page doesn't even validate (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.7des.com%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&verbose=1). Chris just said he wants to learn more and that he would even work for free. He also has only 3 errors, lack of two alt attributes and no character encoding but thats much less than the amount of errors on your site, so looks like you have a lot to learn.


and you mind telling me the errors ?

i wanna hear what u have to say.!.

[muhaidib]

and ohh if your talkin about adding "<!DOCTYPE HTML SYSTEM>"


i don't want to,, its makes the page looks all messed up!

so i will keep it this way :)



Line 24, column 36: required attribute "ACTION" not specified
<form name="style" method="post">

yes it is,, when the page goes to the server it includes www.7des.com/includes/style.php which is <?
if (isset($_POST['style']))
{
$style_sheet = $_POST['style'];
} else {
$style_sheet = !empty ($_COOKIE['css']) ? $_COOKIE['css'] : 'default';
}

setcookie('css',$style_sheet,time()+999999999);

?>



also added this to the page
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

but it made the whole site look wierd,,, so i removed it..

[muhaidib]

ohhh i just checked the valuate page,, you gotta be kiddin me,,

there are just little mistakes that only browsers find,, nothing serios!

like ID "TABLE2" already defined

so what lol,, its not like i use table ID for any actions :P

but thank you for the page i really learned something :thumbsup:

[_Aerospace_Eng_]

If that doctype made your whole site look weird then it means your coding isn't too good. Your page should look good with a doctype not without it.

[muhaidib]

well as long as its shows correctly thats all thats important no?

can a MOD split this topic we are kind of getting off-topic which is kinda rude for the topic starter :rolleyes: sorry chris

[...{chris}...]

Dont worry, I got all the help I needed. Argue on, its fascinating :o

-Chris

[muhaidib]

lol,, i think the argument is over :rolleyes:

nothin is good enough :thumbsup:

[nikkiH]

well as long as its shows correctly thats all thats important no?


Shows correctly in which browser?
There's well over 20 of them.
If you care about cross-platform, cross-browser code, you use a doctype and you produce valid html.
If you don't care about those things, then just test for the browsers and platforms you do care about. A perfectly valid viewpoint for an intranet or personal website. A rather shoddy one for a commercial internet site.

It's one thing to choose to not care, knowing the effects of it.
It's another to just not care and be oblivious to people who use other browsers and platforms, such as Mac Safari users, Mac IE users, Linux Konqeror users, and so on.
And don't forget that there are people who are disabled out there who use special browsers to "render" pages via audio. Invalid html completely screws up those User Agents.

My 2 cents, FWIW

[bcarl314]

you spelt learning wrong :thumbsup:

you might wanna make sure your spelling is rite before you take on jobs for web development


You spelled "spelt" the wrong way! :D

And then there's "wanna" = "want to", "rite" = "right", and "you" = "You". Plus grammar! :eek:

;)

[muhaidib]

hehehe bcarl :p thats funny :D


and i respect your point nikkiH very much :rolleyes: and i will take some good time to edit it after i get some free time (right now i am a bit busy because i have exams and all that,,) so sometime in the summer with a minor upgrade