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jkd
05-25-2005, 07:30 PM
Next gen consoles! The Revolution is the sleekest looking of all of them (and smallest), and promises compatibility with not just Gamecube games, but N64, SNES, NES, etc via rom downloads on a Nintendo site.

Xbox 360 is by far the most powerful (something like 1 terraflop of computing power), but also the largest, and well, most computer-like.

And you have the PS3 right in the middle power-wise, and probably least creativity-wise (PS1, PS2, PS3... come on).

They all have wireless controllers, wireless internet connectivity, and all around awesomeness.

I'm buying Nintendo, and possibly Microsoft (for Perfect Dark sequel and Halo games).

Discuss!

gsnedders
05-25-2005, 07:41 PM
Umm... The PS3 is meant to be the most powerful, being able to do 2 terraflops/second, double the 360's power...

Basscyst
05-25-2005, 11:49 PM
Judging by the comparison charts I've read, the PS3 is the most powerful of the three. System specifications are fairly irrelevent to the console gaming industry IMO. Anything graphically or performance wise can be bested with a solid gaming box. What it all comes down to is titles. Who's got the best games, first.

Nintendo gamecube (and nintendo itself for that matter), is kept alive for one reason and one reason only; A couple of italian brothers and their friends (the little elf boy helps too). You want em, and like em, you buy nintendo. Sony dominated due to the GTA series and prior to that, nintendo's loss of capcom. Xbox is the PC (wo)man's console and sold a lot in part due to it's tweakability, and unwarranted hype.

I want SNES shock. Remember that? It hasn't happened since. That first time you put in a SNES title, your jaw hit the floor (you know it did). I'll never forget it. I rented the box from the local mom and pop video store (that's what we had before blockbuster), and the only title was golf, dissapointing :( . When I saw that ball roll into the hole though, it was like heaven, so real, so clear, such wonderful sound. :)

I want that from these next gen consoles. Make my eyes pop out of my head that first time I turn it on. Alas, I find the possibility doubtful. Surprise me and I will gladly switch my mouse and keyboard for my once favored controller.

Basscyst

jkd
05-26-2005, 12:48 AM
Eh, shows how much I care about the PS3. You really don't need 2 terraflops for a good game console.

You just can't mess with the quality of Nintendo. They've always delivered a solid console, and good games. Even if they are contrary to everything mainstream, you can't help but love them. (Super Monkey Ball, Pikmin, Wind Waker, etc.) And the big secret behind the Revolution... knowing Nintendo, it will revolutionize the game industry. I still play Mario Kart for the N64 semi-regularly, when I have a PS2 and San Andreas sitting next to me. There's just something "fun" about Nintendo games that I've never seen anywhere else.

And nobody can doubt the awesomeness of any Zelda game since the original Nintendo.

Basscyst
05-26-2005, 01:41 AM
Agreed! They are about fun, and they do a good job of making games fun. Mario Kart 64 is the second best game ever, for a group gaming session, offline. Nothing beats Street Fighter (any version). Nor can anyone beat me like I beat them. :p

Now, I have to take back my statement:



I want SNES shock. Remember that? It hasn't happened since.


PSP gave me that, I wasn't expecting graphics those advanced on something so small for another few years. Granted the load times are awful, but it is a very big step for handheld gaming, and computing for that matter.

I hope Nintendo does "revolutionalize" the industry (again). It's time. The last batch of next gens, IMO were only a half a generation. 64 beating out PS1, PS2 beating out 64, Xbox attempting to beat out PS2, and then Nintendo just coasting along on their past glories. Too many baby steps that stifled that, "Woah! This is new!" feeling. At least this time they are all coming out in roughly the same time frame, so maybe we will get a real Next Generation Console.

Basscyst

P.S. - Good fun thread. There should be a gaming forum.

Basscyst

jkd
05-26-2005, 06:00 AM
Agreed! They are about fun, and they do a good job of making games fun. Mario Kart 64 is the second best game ever, for a group gaming session, offline. Nothing beats Street Fighter (any version). Nor can anyone beat me like I beat them. :p

Now, I have to take back my statement:


Yes, you do have to take back a statement, but not the one you listed after that. I've made so-called masters cry after a few rounds against me in Mario Kart 64. ;)

Skyzyx
05-26-2005, 08:13 AM
I'd totally have to agree with jkd about Nintendo quality. It's the Apple of the gaming world. :D

I've already got a (working) NES, SNES, N64, GCN, GB, GBA, and GBA SP (not including the non-Nintendo Genesis, PSX, PS2, PC, and Mac), so I'm not sure how much more of an investment I'm ready to make in the next-gen consoles yet without getting more power strips first. :thumbsup:

ChronicleX.com
05-26-2005, 01:32 PM
you can't compare xbox 360 with ps3 uhhhhhhh

you can compare xbox 2 with ps3 they will be the next level

xbox 360 is like the slim line version of ps2

i read bill said something like that

chilipie
05-26-2005, 03:33 PM
you can't compare xbox 360 with ps3 uhhhhhhhWhy not?

JamieR
05-26-2005, 03:40 PM
probably because of the components or something....however all you have to do is to look at the specs, reviews etc and you'll see which one is better ;)

chilipie
05-26-2005, 04:03 PM
probably because of the components or something....But there's no point comparing things which aren't different :confused: .

JamieR
05-26-2005, 04:20 PM
Exactly, so how come we *can't* compare the Xbox 360 to the PSP3 or whatever it is?

whackaxe
05-26-2005, 05:23 PM
I'd totally have to agree with jkd about Nintendo quality. It's the Apple of the gaming world. :D

true, but its just lacking all the good games nowdays. not to mention a disc loading system :D http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000270043981/

my personal fav for the minute is the PS3, the Revolution looks damn solid though

gsnedders
05-26-2005, 06:29 PM
M$ have no plans to make an Xbox 2, they're making the Xbox 360, their next gen console, like the PS3.

As for which one I'm getting, I'd love to get the Revolution, Zelda and Mario make it worthwhile. However, it probably won't have so many games as the PS3/Xbox 360, 3 things will make up my mind, price, games and graphics quality.

Basscyst
05-26-2005, 07:59 PM
Yes, you do have to take back a statement, but not the one you listed after that. I've made so-called masters cry after a few rounds against me in Mario Kart 64. ;)

Ha! I was refering to Street Fighter. :thumbsup: Though I can hold my own in some Mario Kart 64 too. Too bad it's not internet friendly, I'd make you put your money where your mouth is :D .

Basscyst

jkd
05-26-2005, 08:45 PM
As for which one I'm getting, I'd love to get the Revolution, Zelda and Mario make it worthwhile. However, it probably won't have so many games as the PS3/Xbox 360, 3 things will make up my mind, price, games and graphics quality.

But the quality of games. What games that do come out on Revolution will on average be superior than games on other consoles. Price and games are good buying considerations, but graphics quality... 500,000,000 polygons versus 400,000,000 polygons (or whatever) won't make a difference in the game. Fire up Zelda or Chrono Trigger for SNES and tell me that they are not at least as good as FFX. Or even compare Skies of Arcadia (Dreamcast) to any PS2 RPG - you can't really compare at all. It's all about gameplay.

whackaxe
05-26-2005, 09:06 PM
Zelda? oh joy! you might get wind waker2 and end up spending years waiting for the game they showed at the release party! and don't tell me that there's no precedent :p vaporware IMO

and the graphics argument is m00t. check out this crackin' game, only a bit of 2D openGL and great programming: www.uplink.co.uk

jkd
05-26-2005, 10:17 PM
There are playable demos of the Zelda game already in existence? Rather full-featured demos too. And in any case, Wind Waker was an amazing game, nonetheless.

Grant Palin
05-27-2005, 06:02 PM
I've already got a (working) NES, SNES, N64, GCN, GB, GBA, and GBA SP (not including the non-Nintendo Genesis, PSX, PS2, PC, and Mac), so I'm not sure how much more of an investment I'm ready to make in the next-gen consoles yet without getting more power strips first. :thumbsup:

:eek: :eek:

Have you got enough systems? Do you ever get around to playing on ANY of them, much less ALL of them (not all at once, but at one time or another)?


I am intrigued by the fact that the new Nintendo system will be able to play ROMs of older games downloaded from the net. So I could potentially play games from the NES, SNES, and N64 all on a single console. Sounds interesting. I would not mind being able to play some of those classics whenever I wanted, especially some of the better SNES games (Zelda, Super Metroid, Secret of Mana, Breath of Fire...).

jkd
05-27-2005, 06:28 PM
*Beat Secret of Mana in 12-ish hours rather recently* :)

Do keep in mind, that with a boot disc, you can load up older roms on a Dreamcast, and with modded PS2's Xbox's, I'm pretty sure you can do the same. But legal, supported ROM playing, that's what is really cool about the Revolution.

Grant Palin
05-27-2005, 06:50 PM
Yeah, SoM is a long game. It's been quite some time since I played it - I rented it - but I loved it. It was beautiful, had a good story, and the gameplay was great. I seem to recall it took me a LOT longer than 12 hours, though.

What with the legality issues of playing ROMs on a computer, I wonder if the new system would legitimize playing ROMs obtained from the internet. I would not mind playing a reasonable fee (I seem to recall reading that Nintendo would set up a sit for this) to obtain a number of particular games I could play whenever I liked. Seems like there could be some good possibilities with this...Legal ROMs from different systems, all on one console!

Basscyst
05-27-2005, 08:57 PM
Seems like there could be some good possibilities with this...Legal ROMs from different systems, all on one console!

I think they already have that, it's called a PC or computer or something like that. ;)

Basscyst

Grant Palin
05-27-2005, 09:14 PM
But there's no legal means I know of (not that that means anything :p ) for playing NES/SNES/N64 ROMs on the PC.

Basscyst
05-27-2005, 09:31 PM
Yes there is, if you own the game in it's original format, you have full rights to the corresponding ROM title. I loved Secret of Mana!

Basscyst

Grant Palin
05-27-2005, 11:27 PM
Well, playing them on the PC's not quite the same as a console...I don't have a controller that connects to the PC, for example, even though I could probably get one without too much trouble, but still.

Besides, I don't have most of those games...They were mostly rentals or loaners.

Somehow, I'd rather play console games on a console. And I'll have a controller just for that purpose. And some games thatr play easily with a controller may be less so on a PC - action games are a nightmare using a keyboard.

Basscyst
05-27-2005, 11:41 PM
I know, I agree, I was just giving ya a hard time. lol. :p

Basscyst

jkd
05-28-2005, 01:21 AM
Logitech Rumblepads are excellent controllers for emulating NES, SNES, N64, and PSX titles.

Also, for Secret of Mana lovers, the sequel was only released in Japan, but there is a translated ROM available. Definitely worth a run through, if you're into good rpg's. :)

Kang He
05-17-2006, 02:17 PM
Anyone seen the E3 presentations of the Nintendo Wii? It's going to be so awesome with those controllers with sensors in them, giving an entire new dimension to games.

jkd
05-17-2006, 06:05 PM
Almost dug up a year to the day! :)

And yes, the Nintendo Wii has generated enough momentum on its own to really recapture the market. Some high up Microsoft people said customers should buy the Wii as a second console, and similarly some high up Sony people said customers should also buy Wii as a second console, which is highly unusual. The pricepoints are so steep that I doubt many people will be having both X-Box 360 and a PS3, but a cheap (and BRILLIANT) Wii may fill the void. Personally, I'm getting the Wii and forgetting the rest. Nintendo really struck something here.



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