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bradyj
03-15-2005, 11:31 PM
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1776290,00.asp

quote:
"Partner sources say Microsoft is wavering on the extent to which it plans to support CSS2 with IE 7.0. Developers have been clamoring for Microsoft to update its CSS support to support the latest W3C standards for years. But Microsoft is leaning toward adding some additional CSS2 support to IE 7.0, but not embracing the standard in its entirety, partners say."

Great.

Daf
03-15-2005, 11:43 PM
I had heard some talk about this, too.

I just don't understand their relunctance to develope/market a fully compliant browser. :confused:

Does it conflict with some features they want to include with the browser? Do they think they have a better schema for the "ultimate" browser and the W3C standards "be damned"? Is it just too much work to whip that POS browser into shape?

I just don't get it...

Daf

brothercake
03-15-2005, 11:48 PM
Reading between the lines, it seems pretty clear the IE7 will make no serious inroads in standards support. Why don't they? Well why would they? Interoperability undermines their core business model.

What seems likely is what happened with MSN - adding support for the selectors we currently use to feed styles away from IE, but not fixing any of the bugs that we do that for.

Grant Palin
03-16-2005, 12:46 AM
Have a look at the latest entry on IE Blog (http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/03/09.aspx).

There's some interesting talk in the initial post, followed by many (often repeated) requests for various features.

bradyj
03-16-2005, 01:16 AM
Have a look at the latest entry on IE Blog (http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/03/09.aspx).

There's some interesting talk in the initial post, followed by many (often repeated) requests for various features.

The above article was after the IE post -- I think that's what sparked the article to search for users.

Grant Palin
03-17-2005, 06:31 PM
Bad news. Looks like Microsoft will not be fully implementing CSS2. :(

Microsoft Watch (http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1776935,00.asp)


One partner said that Microsoft considers CSS2 to be a "flawed" standard and that the company is waiting for a later point release, such as CSS2.1 or CSS3, before throwing its complete support behind it.

Yeah, right! :mad:


Sources claiming familiarity with Microsoft's IE 7.0 plans said the company will add some additional CSS2 support to its new standalone browser.

But Microsoft isn't planning to go the whole way and make IE 7.0 fully CSS2 compliant, sources said.

codegoboom
03-17-2005, 07:05 PM
Shoot, does any browser even fully implement HTML?

JamieR
03-17-2005, 07:28 PM
I don't think Microsoft are too interested in web standards:rolleyes:
I would like to see full implementation of everything that firefox support, i.e. XML, XHTML/ CSS (FULL) etc....

Btw, codegoboom - firefox implements html better than ievil does, or atleast I think so :confused:

brothercake
03-17-2005, 08:19 PM
You know what ... we're all wasting our time getting even vaguely excited about IE7. It's not gonna be much better - that's obvious from what MS are not saying.

If it were to be CSS2 and XHTML compliant they would have made a ridiculous fuss about that by now, and milked it for every ounce of credibility; but far from it, we're not even getting straight answers from the people running the blogs that claim to want to know what customers want ....

The whole excercise is utterly vacuous; and what little information is coming our way is like an employer's reference - what they're not saying says far more than what they are

Either they're so lost in their own arrogance that they don't even see it anymore .. or they're doing it deliberately as a viral-marketing strategy, to get people talking positively about a new version of IE ... instead of being terrified like we should ..

gsnedders
03-17-2005, 08:22 PM
If it at least supports the XML declaration in XHTML, while keeping in standards mode, I'll be happy...

bradyj
03-17-2005, 09:04 PM
I gotta say, even though I understand both arguements pro and con, I have been seriously debating bringing back the 'to hell with bad browsers' and blocking out IE from many of my sites. I don't feel a need to support them anymore, in anyway -- I know it's arrogant to block a user out from their choice of surfing method -- but I'm just tired of it.

mindlessLemming
03-17-2005, 11:01 PM
Brady: "Calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean..." ;)
I (regrettably) agree with brothercake -- it's going to suck marginally less than IE6, if we're lucky. :(

At they've pretty much confirmed 32-bit PNG support.

ghell
03-18-2005, 03:49 PM
whats annoying me is that it says it only works on xpSP2 (which i really dont want for all the crap its put on 2 of the computers here).. so. im sticking to SP1.. and i cant use IE7... yea.. great marketing :p

i use firefox at the moment but it seems that when i write sites for IE, firefox annoys me, and when iwrite for FF, IE annoys me.. in the end i usually end up writing table inside table inside table .. etc... to get it to all line up properly

as for the speed argument i see absolutely no noticable difference... is it more noticable for dial up users? does it just use compression methods like onspeed? (which says SOME files are faster, and the faster your actual speed is, the less improvement it makes)

one thing that annoys me about firefox is the javascript, eg i cant get my head around getting onkeydown events, i can get it in every browser appart from firefox (which is just NN5 so i dont know why i can get nn4 and nn6 working but not ff.. thats what happens when companies split off i suppose)
theres probably a really simple way of doing it, but i cant work it out :p oh well, if i wanted to ask i wuda posted in the javascript forum ;)

chilipie
03-18-2005, 07:09 PM
I have been seriously debating bringing back the 'to hell with bad browsers' and blocking out IE from many of my sites.
I disagree. Many people are stuck with IE whether they like it or not: particularly when using public computers (ie. schools, universities, cyber-cafes etc.). However, I think it would be reasonable not to bother using hacks for IE: if it works - fine, if not, tough s***. Perhaps we should display messages (with conditional comments) telling the user why it looks crap, and what they can do about it. I don't think we should block IE users; and even though we should be working towards more accessible websites, we can still provide text-only versions, right?

jkd
03-19-2005, 08:01 AM
I disagree. Many people are stuck with IE whether they like it or not: particularly when using public computers (ie. schools, universities, cyber-cafes etc.).

There is an installation of Firefox on every single computer in every computing cluster at Brown University. (that = lots of computers). They even launch Firefox on startup, circumventing someone from clicking on the blue E sitting on the desktop (in the Windows clusters).

Anyhoo, this was *slightly* before my time (I remember catching the tail end of it), but there was a highly successful "I want my MTV"-campaign back when MTV was MTV and people were trying to convince cable companies to pick it up.

Shameless plagiarism might not be a bad idea.

JamieR
03-19-2005, 11:47 AM
I disagree. Many people are stuck with IE whether they like it or not: particularly when using public computers (ie. schools, universities, cyber-cafes etc.). However, I think it would be reasonable not to bother using hacks for IE: if it works - fine, if not, tough s***. Perhaps we should display messages (with conditional comments) telling the user why it looks crap, and what they can do about it. I don't think we should block IE users; and even though we should be working towards more accessible websites, we can still provide text-only versions, right?

Yes Ollie, we should be working to create more accessible websites, but as IEvil unfortunatly still holds a large part of the market share, then we can't really block IE users from our websites. Text only versions are still useful:p

We don't have firefox on many computers at school, well none of the main computers that students use, but the techies have it on their main computers. Anyhow, I beat that situation - my laptop has firefox:D

Jamie.



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