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View Full Version : Crossbrowser Support. Who do you design for?



jpalazzi
10-19-2004, 06:12 PM
I am having problems using scripts, flash, and html and making it look right on other browsers. I have IE 6+ and with my screen res. the site looks great, but if you open it in IE5 or Mozilla etc. it has a different look. Sometimes the table has borders when i told it not to, or images have shift etc.

Is this just what we have to put up with? Should i just program for IE6 and call it done?

Thanks for any input.

gwendaal
10-19-2004, 06:17 PM
here you can choose your way >>>

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

liorean
10-19-2004, 06:19 PM
I think the most common advice in this are the following:

- Code to the specifications primarily, including validation of your work.
- Test primarily in the most capable browsers: moz, saf, op.
- Test secondarily in ie6w.
- Test tertiarily in ie5.5w and ie5.0w.
- Test in the rest - ie5m, nn4 etc.

This ensure that you are creating code with just the quirks needed for accomodating the problem browsers, rather than creating code directed at the problem browsers and then tweaking it so that the more compliant browsers can handle it.

gsnedders
10-19-2004, 07:01 PM
Personally I develop in Safari, unless it utilises some advance XML things that the WebKit doesn't yet parse (eg. Xlinks) in which case I develop in Firefox.

As for testing: Safari
Firefox (for Gecko)
IE5 Mac (don't really care if it doesn't work :D)
Get you guys to test Windows browsers ;)

]|V|[agnus
10-19-2004, 09:56 PM
Liorean said it best. But also remember: you will never get it perfect in every UA, so don't try. But it will benefit you to explore and discover how close you *can* get.

Roy Sinclair
10-19-2004, 10:29 PM
Design for your audience. This would be a modifier to what Liorean posted in that if you have a good idea what browser(s) your target audience will be using then you can tailor the amount of effort you spend on the browsers which will cover the largest portion of your audience. Unless your pages will live a short life though you should be sure to design to standards first, the fewer proprietary or deprecated items you use the longer your work will be able to stand the test of time.

]|V|[agnus
10-19-2004, 10:34 PM
Designing for your audience is obvious when your audience has very specific demands. But in general, your audience is an undefined mass of unpredictable variables. This is why you code for standards first and accomodate as necessary after that.

123dhs321
10-19-2004, 11:33 PM
For the Mac:

Firebird v.7 (OS X)
Firefox v.08 (OS X)
Firefox v1.0 PR (OS X)
Opera v7.54 (OS X)
IE v5.2 (OS X)
IE v5.1 (OS 9)
Netscape v7.1 (OS X)
Safari v1.2.1 (OS X)
Mozilla v1.6 (OS X)
Mozilla v1.7 Beta (OS X)
Camino v.7 (OS X)

For the PC:

Firebird v.7 (XP)
Firefox v.08 (XP)
Firefox v1.0 PR (XP)
Opera v7.54 (XP)
IE v5 (2000)
IE v5.5 (2000)
IE v6 (XP)
Netscape v7.1 (2000)
Mozilla v1.6 (XP)
Mozilla v1.7 Beta (XP)

codejunkie
10-20-2004, 05:47 PM
Sinse we are talking about browsers here, what would you say is the best one to use for viewing the web. I use angelfire for my websites, simply for the purpose of not using my pc as a server. Anyways, I have IE6 and it works fine. Just wondering what all the pros use.

Rob

Jero
10-20-2004, 05:56 PM
Firefox is IMO the best browser at the moment. It's fast, has tabbed browsing, and displays every page how they're supposed to look (IE's rendering engine isn't updated since 1998, so it obiously doesn't display every page how they're supposed to be rendered).

On-topic: I make sure that my websites look good in Firefox, Opera and IE.

allida77
10-20-2004, 06:05 PM
specs,ie,ff

evilregis
10-20-2004, 06:09 PM
Firefox, Opera, IE. Those are what I verify on my own. Then I usually post a design in a forum's site review section to get those on other systems (Linux/Mac) to take a boo and report any unsightly flaws. As stated, it will never look exactly the same in all UAs so find your prime audience, make sure it's perfect there and acceptable in the rest.

As for the best browser... my vote goes to Firefox. With it's speed, compliance, security, popup blocking, tabbed browsing, and myriad extensions... GOD BLESS THE WEB DEVELOPER EXTENSION. To me there is no better browser. Opera is also a great browser, but my preference goes to Firefox.

]|V|[agnus
10-20-2004, 06:21 PM
Sinse we are talking about browsers here, what would you say is the best one to use for viewing the web. I use angelfire for my websites, simply for the purpose of not using my pc as a server. Anyways, I have IE6 and it works fine. Just wondering what all the pros use.

Rob

It almost sounded like you thought Angelfire was a browser by the way you worded that. I think I follow you now...

At any rate, the best browser for viewing the web is a choice you should make based on your preferences.

However, if your preferences include whether or not the browser is rendering according to standards and modern practices and such, then there are less subjective opinions on the matter. IE, for instance, as we all well know, is far more inferior than about any browser around that I know of with regard to this.

But as for how the browser works as a tool for your web experience... that's completely up to you. :)

oracleguy
10-20-2004, 07:29 PM
|V|[agnus']It almost sounded like you thought Angelfire was a browser by the way you worded that. I think I follow you now...

At any rate, the best browser for viewing the web is a choice you should make based on your preferences.

However, if your preferences include whether or not the browser is rendering according to standards and modern practices and such, then there are less subjective opinions on the matter. IE, for instance, as we all well know, is far more inferior than about any browser around that I know of with regard to this.

But as for how the browser works as a tool for your web experience... that's completely up to you. :)

If you aren't using IE, you'll be a lot safer on the internet. You'll get virtually no spyware on your system if you don't use IE as your primary browser. Obviously if say Firefox does become dominant, then they'll start to try and punch through holes in it but at least they still update their software unlike Microsoft.

Back on topic, I pretty much agree with liorean.

Puffin the Erb
10-20-2004, 09:29 PM
Don't forget text-only browsers such as Lynx, Links and Elinks.
It's important to test your pages in at least one of these for accessibility reasons.
Also, if you are just looking for content and are not interested in how pretty some site's Flash movie or DHTMl effects are (etc) then these can't be beat for speed when you yourself are surfing.



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