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]|V|[agnus
07-13-2004, 06:14 AM
I believe so.

And ad for this: https://www.asseenontvnetwork.com/vcc/ideavillage/bikinitouch/115251/

Popped up here: http://js-x.com/javascript/?view=318

Full flash video, audio, infomercial narrator and everything. ONE MINUTE LONG.

:eek:

silenus
07-13-2004, 11:48 AM
Hey, at least it had chicks in bikinis in it! :D

Roy Sinclair
07-13-2004, 08:36 PM
Want to guess why I don't have Flash installed? In my case though it was a web page where they had a noisy moving character that was wandering all around the web page I was trying to view. Flash allows intrusive advertising so I have disabled it by uninstalling it.

]|V|[agnus
07-13-2004, 08:51 PM
Next step: GOUGE OUT YOUR EYES! Then you don't have to see all those intrusive billboards! :thumbsup:

jbot
07-26-2004, 03:53 PM
to remove ads from web pages, install this for Firefox: http://adblock.mozdev.org/ :D

Basscyst
07-27-2004, 12:47 AM
I would not call it abuse so much as use. The web is, generally speaking a big giant billboard. Without ads most websites would make little to no money. I don't mind a "nice" flash ad, if it is intrusive, no close button etc. that might be considered abuse. I especially don't mind if it is targeted advertisment, ie. To do with that which i am browsing. Do you consider commercials on TV abuse of technology? I might not like them, but again no commercials, no programming else you pay for your content.

Basscyst

]|V|[agnus
07-27-2004, 01:23 AM
The web is, generally speaking a big giant billboard. Without ads most websites would make little to no money.

You make me want to hurt myself.


Do you consider commercials on TV abuse of technology?

Well, for the record, yes, I do, but that's an entirely personal opinion dealing with the particular quality of most commercials for one, but also having nothing to do with the fact that THE WHOLE PREMISE OF THIS THREAD WAS A BIT OF A JOKE TO BEGIN WITH.

:eek:

Yes, I know.

:mad:

You'll get over it...

:D

bradyj
07-27-2004, 03:39 AM
|V|[agnus']You make me want to hurt myself.

:D :D :D

Yes, I feel commercials are invasive. Just like the thirty minutes of commercials I have to now watch before I get to enjoy the movie I paid ten bucks a ticket for... wasn't there a time when TiVO was sued for being able to record your shows WITHOUT the commercials? There's a point where your marketing is too much marketing -- it's a free country, though, I'd never agree to make it a taxpayer's expended outlaw, but that sure as hell means they're not getting a new customer.

Basscyst
07-27-2004, 04:08 AM
You make me want to hurt myself.


Don't get me wrong, hurt yourself if you like but I didn't say I liked the fact, nor that I add to it, but advertising does have it's place on the web and I don't particularly mind it if it's done with TACT. Plus what kind of discussion would it be if no-one took the opposite side. ;)

Basscyst

]|V|[agnus
07-27-2004, 06:40 AM
Bass, most of my reaction was based in your implication that the Web is inherentlly nothing more than a "big billboard" and that generally a site's main reason for being is generating revenue. I don't much care about the principle of advertising in general. Of course it's not inherently wrong: we're all salespeople in some facility.

Basscyst
07-28-2004, 05:38 PM
I didn't imply it, I did say it. "Generally" it is a big billboard and "Generally" most sites are there for the purpose of generating revenue. Most websites that a company would pay to have built (thearby giving people like ourselves some work) are in fact a big advertisement or a store to purchase goods from with the intent of increasing or generating revenue. There are sites like this one that are there for the good of man, but even here there are some ads that target a certain audience. The Ads hearin seem to be of things that the visitors might actually be intrested in. So it seems some thought was put into what is displayed and delivered to me with tact.

As far as the full video sound goes, that depends. I had a Dodge truck run past my screen on MSN, it was a really cool little piece and if I was in the market for a truck it would have caught my eye. I did not however, give MSN any inclination that I was looking for a truck, I was actually looking for a game. . .had a DOOM 3 monster come running accross my screen I'd a probably bitten.

Dodge truck - No Tact

Doom 3 monster - Tact

Sorry to take your joke thread and turn it serious but it seemed like an intresting topic.

Basscyst

]|V|[agnus
07-28-2004, 05:42 PM
At this point I think it would help to clarify whether or not you are simply observing what you perceive to be the fact of the Web being a "giant billboard" more or less, or whether you're basically saying that that's what the *idea* of the Web is, and that makes sense to you. 'Cause if it's the latter, that's why I think I'd like to bludgeon you with dead salmon. If not, then... all right.

Roy Sinclair
07-28-2004, 06:21 PM
I don't have a big problem with advertisements on the web, in general they're a good thing since they help pay for the web. In fact they're helping pay for this forum and that's fine with me.

What I dislike is advertisements that are obtrusive, just like it's annoying to have set a comfortable volume level on your television only to have some screaming idiot appear hawking cars requiring the quick use of the mute button to restore sanity it's annoying to visit a web site only to have some advertisement on the site launch into an audible advertisement. This is doubly a problem in a business environment where the only reason I have any sounds enabled at all is to let me know when there's a new email. My coworkers don't need to hear advertisements coming from my PC just because I'm visiting web pages and the advertiser who's supplying advertisements for the pages I'm visiting isn't smart enough to reject such ads.

Basscyst
07-28-2004, 06:37 PM
It's what I percieve, I don't really think there is an idea of the web anymore, it is what it is. As the web tech gets better having a website will be like owning a tv station, streaming audio and video of your choice not just to your pc but to your mobile phone or pda's - in your above links I would agree they are outta hand, but I wouldn't call it misuse so much as just being dumb - don't watch that channel and \ or buy that product.

Basscyst

]|V|[agnus
07-28-2004, 06:44 PM
You don't need to explain the ultimate power of the binary choice to me.

The idea of the Web is dead to you, huh? Just another avenue for marketing, branding and capitalism, eh? Well, HOO-RAY, let me tell you hu-what. I'm so glad the future is here!

]|V|[agnus
07-28-2004, 06:45 PM
So, who else ordered one of those things? It's a jungle down there though, I think I might need them to develop and industrial grade model..

bradyj
07-28-2004, 08:22 PM
As much as we're supporting marketing (to some users here), you have to remember where it's come from in other realms. Print design started out with the basic poster/newspaper ad, and is now planting money market deals to put advertisements in schools (already available) and the like -- though these aren't generally intrusive, they are stepping over moral boundaries. Books like "no logo" and "fast food nation" bring some disturbing realties... it won't stop. So though we condone it for web use at the moment, it's only going to get worse, and pick itself up to another level. The question is more of where to draw the line, and it's been beaten to death. Obtrusive is not good enough, there's more to it than that.

]|V|[agnus
07-28-2004, 08:48 PM
Yes! I am reading No Logo currently, in fact! It's a tough read at times because my blood starts to boil. But yeah, fascinating history and perspective on the arc of advertising and branding over the last couple decades and the implications on our mental, physical, and cultural spaces.

Neat that you mentioned that book. I still haven't read Fast Food Nation though.

On whether or not it will stop though... it will, eventually, even if it continues to escalate. It will happen even in that case simply because anything that gets too intrusive and consuming eventually destroys the very things it depends on for survival. Like a virus. I would just prefer to see people wake the hell up sooner so that I can look back on life and see how we all fought back rather than how it all came crumbling down.

bradyj
07-28-2004, 09:01 PM
|V|[agnus']On whether or not it will stop though... it will, eventually, even if it continues to escalate. It will happen even in that case simply because anything that gets too intrusive and consuming eventually destroys the very things it depends on for survival. Like a virus. I would just prefer to see people wake the hell up sooner so that I can look back on life and see how we all fought back rather than how it all came crumbling down.

But we both know the average consumer doesn't have the capacity... well, nevermind:)

Fast food nation is excellent, I recommend highly. A great fictional novel that discusses the future of advertisement is "jennifer government" (aside from 1984, or movies like Equilibrium)
http://www.maxbarry.com/jennifergovernment/

Creepy. All last names are reflective of your position (John Nike), all aspects of government is public organization, and Austrialia is, yes, an American territory.

]|V|[agnus
07-28-2004, 09:14 PM
That sounds really interesting man. I've been wanting to devour a good piece of fiction for a while now, but nothing's kept my interest enough. Too much non-fiction and you just end up depressed and angry. Or maybe that's just me. ;)

bradyj
07-28-2004, 10:56 PM
|V|[agnus']That sounds really interesting man. I've been wanting to devour a good piece of fiction for a while now, but nothing's kept my interest enough. Too much non-fiction and you just end up depressed and angry. Or maybe that's just me. ;)

It's not just you -- I found the ending a little weak, but it was a great read. If you want some good reading, I've just got off my insane Steve Erickson kick:
http://www.complete-review.com/authors/ericks.htm
and some other excellent books by him are 'sea came at midnight' and 'Days Between Stations'
http://www.laurencecook.com/erickson/



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