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spl1nter
03-06-2004, 09:53 PM
You may not have heard of the <acronym> tag (it's mainly used to make sites more accessible), but I have a question about it.

In Netscape and Opera, words which are contained within <acronym></acronym> are highlighted with dots underneath the word. It looks pretty stupid in my site design and I was wondering if there was any way to get rid of it?

I have tried using CSS and text-decoration: none; but that didn't work.

Antoniohawk
03-06-2004, 10:06 PM
border-bottom: none;

perhaps?

spl1nter
03-06-2004, 10:12 PM
Yep. That did the trick :D

Thanks a lot.

Antoniohawk
03-06-2004, 10:19 PM
No problem, just in case you need anymore info, i found it here.

http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/abbreviations.cfm

mindlessLemming
03-07-2004, 01:13 AM
Just a side note; according to a blog I was reading yesterday, the W3C are moving to deprecate the <acronym> tag, leaving only the <abbr> tag to fill both purposes. I can see the sense in it... but I thought we were going for a more semantic web? Surely I'm not the only one who goes to the trouble of using <abbr> and <acronym> correctly??...

brothercake
03-07-2004, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by mindlessLemming
Surely I'm not the only one who goes to the trouble of using <abbr> and <acronym> correctly??...
You're one among not very many, especially compared with the number of people who are incorrectly using <acronym> for words that aren't acronyms, just because <abbr> doesn't work in IE.

An acronym is always an abbreviation, but an abbreviation isn't necessarily an acronym. So you may as well use <abbr> for everything.

Let's have a pop quiz then :D Which of these is wrong:


<abbr title="Portable Network Graphics">PNG</abbr>

<acronym title="Document Object Model">DOM</acronym>

<abbr title="Graphics Interchange Format">GIF</abbr>

<acronym title="eXtensible Markup Language">XML</acronym>

mindlessLemming
03-07-2004, 01:17 AM
OK, thanks for clearing that up ;)

So bye-bye acronym.....

Paul Jr
03-07-2004, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by brothercake
Let's have a pop quiz then :D Which of these is wrong:


<abbr title="Portable Network Graphics">PNG</abbr>

<acronym title="Document Object Model">DOM</acronym>

<abbr title="Graphics Interchange Format">GIF</abbr>

<acronym title="eXtensible Markup Language">XML</acronym>

They're all wrong except for the second one, no?

brothercake
03-07-2004, 04:26 AM
No ...

mindlessLemming
03-07-2004, 05:11 AM
Hey! Where did that quiz come from? :p


Originally posted by brothercake


<abbr title="Portable Network Graphics">PNG</abbr>

<acronym title="Document Object Model">DOM</acronym>

<abbr title="Graphics Interchange Format">GIF</abbr>

<acronym title="eXtensible Markup Language">XML</acronym>

Hmmm.....My thoughts:


<acronym title="Portable Network Graphics">PNG</acronym>

<acronym title="Document Object Model">DOM</acronym>

<acronym title="Graphics Interchange Format">GIF</acronym>

<abbr title="eXtensible Markup Language">XML</abbr>


My reason being that an acronym is defined by it's use of each word's first character.

....am I right?

Andrew.

Antoniohawk
03-07-2004, 05:50 AM
acronym:
A word formed from the initial letters of a name, such as WAC for Women's Army Corps, or by combining initial letters or parts of a series of words, such as radar for radio detecting and ranging.

abbreviation:
A shortened form of a word or phrase used chiefly in writing to represent the complete form, such as Mass. for Massachusetts or USMC for United States Marine Corps.

compliments of Dictionary.com, so I would agree with you lemming.

*Edit
Later I found the following this site that kind of pulls it all together while offering a different view on the two.
http://www.accessify.com/archives/2003_04_20_news-archives.asp#200192249

brothercake
03-07-2004, 06:27 AM
Taken from that very thread:


"An initialism is an abbreviation formed by using the first letters, or initials, of a series of words, for example BBC or IBM. This is called an initialism when the letters are sounded out, as in the previous example, but it is called an acronym when the abbreviation forms a pronouncable word, such as NATO or AIDS. However, this distinction is often lost in common speech; most people call both types of abbreviations acronyms."

Therefore DOM and GIF are acronyms (and also abbreviations), PNG is an acronym only if you pronounce it "Ping", and XML is an abbreviation but not an acronym.

So in my original example, they're all correct except the last one. And mindlessLemming, all four of yours are right, unless you pronounce PNG as "P.N.G" :p

brothercake
03-07-2004, 06:33 AM
Incidentally again - to come back on topic a bit - the generally-recognised way of indicating acronyms and abbreviations is with a dotted border:


acronym, abbr { border-bottom:1px dotted #999; }

I like to make acronym and abbr different colors actually ... sky blue and pale orange respectively :) Some people use a help cursor as well, but I don't agree with the semantics of that - the help cursor is generally attached to clicking things, not hovering. I prefer a default cursor.

mindlessLemming
03-07-2004, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by brothercake
mindlessLemming, all four of yours are right, unless you pronounce PNG as "P.N.G" :p
:D

This has turned into quite an informational thread.:thumbsup:

liorean
03-07-2004, 07:39 AM
Well, according to the PNG WG, the "correct" pronounciation is "ping", which makes it an acronym.

brothercake
03-07-2004, 07:51 AM
So does that mean "MNG" is pronounced "ming"? That would be pretty merciless :D

me'
03-07-2004, 10:10 AM
Actually, some people pronounce XML something like 'zummel'.

ReadMe.txt
03-07-2004, 06:31 PM
so presumably to them XHTML is zumhertummel? thats just daft.

does anyone here pronounce GUI as goo-ee? i hate that, sounds so non technical. :/

Antoniohawk
03-07-2004, 07:30 PM
My Java teacher decided that it should be pronounced gooey, while i prefer to sound out each letter G - U - I.

brothercake
03-07-2004, 07:51 PM
I say gooey :)

missing-score
03-07-2004, 08:15 PM
I pronounce it G - U - I :D

me'
03-07-2004, 08:41 PM
G-U-I, Ping, Gif (although technically it's Jif), Jaypeg, zool, zammel, X-M-L...

STDestiny
03-07-2004, 09:41 PM
Funny, I've always pronounced PNG "pong".

-Andrew

Antoniohawk
03-07-2004, 10:41 PM
LOL@STDestiny. Seriously?



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