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View Full Version : [Mozilla]New version, yet a new name



liorean
02-09-2004, 01:23 PM
Mozilla/browser, Phoenix, Mozilla Firebird has changed name to Mozilla Firefox in the 0.8 Release. Mozilla Thunderbird comes in a new 0.5 release, but without a name change. This name change to clear the name confusion with the Firebird database software. Let's just hope the name stays the same until the 1.0 release from now.

<http://mozilla.org/>

super kobs
02-09-2004, 04:32 PM
bleh., why the name change?

liorean
02-09-2004, 04:44 PM
See <http://www.mozilla.org/press/mozilla-2004-02-09.html>, <http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/firefox-name-faq.html>, <http://www.bengoodger.com/weblog/archives/cat_mozblog.shtml> and <http://hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/archives/000377.php> for the answer to that question.

SDP2006
02-09-2004, 05:01 PM
I just downloaded it this morning. It's very very nice, but it will take me a while to call it Firefox :D

whackaxe
02-09-2004, 05:37 PM
new name is pretty lame IMO firebird and phoenix were awesome. firefox sounds like the kindof screen name you'd get on MSN chat :p

liorean
02-09-2004, 06:01 PM
It'll grow onto you...

Nightfire
02-09-2004, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by whackaxe
new name is pretty lame IMO firebird and phoenix were awesome. firefox sounds like the kindof screen name you'd get on MSN chat :p

LOL I think the same thing too. First thing I did when I opened up Firebird was to check the the url wasn't a joke on the homepage settings.

Don't suppose anyone knows a mirror site where to get the latest version? Moz's site is too busy and not allowing me to download

super kobs
02-09-2004, 08:53 PM
I'm donwloading it now!

liorean
02-09-2004, 09:01 PM
NightFire: <http://www.google.pt/search?q=cache:_PnqbgP1GpIJ:www.mozilla.org/mirrors.html+mozilla+mirrors>

whackaxe
02-09-2004, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by liorean
It'll grow onto you...

yah well i got my pesticides ready :D

maybe the lame name is for trying to trick your average I.E user into swapping to mozz :D

Roy Sinclair
02-09-2004, 10:23 PM
If anything sparks a mass upgrade from IE, I'll call it a good thing, celebrate for a while and then call it a great thing.

super kobs
02-09-2004, 10:54 PM
The download finally finished....Not too many differences in the interface that I can see..new download manger..

oracleguy
02-09-2004, 11:31 PM
I kinda liked how 0.7 didn't need to be installed to be used.

Nightfire
02-09-2004, 11:35 PM
I guess they made an installer just so the average or less than average person can use it without having to spend hours figuring out how to do it.

Can't see any changes from 0.7, I guess it's mainly backend upgrades?

oracleguy
02-10-2004, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by Nightfire
Don't suppose anyone knows a mirror site where to get the latest version? Moz's site is too busy and not allowing me to download

http://www.dasdua.org/downloads.php

mindlessLemming
02-10-2004, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Nightfire
I guess they made an installer just so the average or less than average person can use it without having to spend hours figuring out how to do it.


Not having it "install" caused big issues at our college. The Shockwave plug-in couldn't find a non-IE browser already installed :( I sent the head support guy a link to FireFox, hopefully that'll solve the dilemma.:thumbsup:

Andrew

whackaxe
02-10-2004, 09:18 PM
thats, and if the ser wants to get rid of it, they're going to have to find the unistaller and go throught th uninstall process. something that might put them off deleting this fine fine software. the installer should scrape IE straight of the HD too :D

JAVAEOC
02-10-2004, 10:23 PM
Some one said that it was good that you didnt have to install firebird... I think thats not a good thing at all because when i did it that way the Javascript console didnt work and also it could find any plugins...

However it seems like reloding in firefox takes for ever...

If i reload a page it takes longer then when i go in the adressbar and just hit enter again (should be the same thing)

Mhtml
02-11-2004, 12:22 AM
I just downloaded it. I can't see a real reason for the new name but then again I don't really care! As long as it still as good as before (of course better) I don't care what it's called.

The new icon is cool though ;)

liorean
02-11-2004, 12:30 AM
Yeah, the new icon is really cool compared to the former windows icon. It's not an improvement on these icons for OS X, however: <http://www.xicons.com/details/995.html> - <http://www.deftone.com/blogzilla/archives/another_alternative_firebird_and_thunderbird_icon.html>

Skyzyx
02-11-2004, 12:43 AM
They changed the name due to Trademark issues. Something you should keep in mind: Firebird was never the product name for the standalone browser -- it was the codename during development. Mozilla.org had every intention of changing it again. That's what they said on their site when they changed the name from Phoenix to Firebird the first time.

Firefox will now be both the codename as well as the product name for their standalone browser project. If you read the notes on the Firefox webpage, it explains that they wanted to keep the "fire" part of the name, but they also had to pick a name that wouldn't cause any more trademark or copyright problems.

This is what they came up with that fit the criteria.

mindlessLemming
02-12-2004, 12:11 AM
Ok, just installed FireFox, get it running and bam! it has removed my Mozilla 1.6 Bookmarks and theme even though it's installed in a different folder. Doh! oh well, they've magically moved to the FireFox bookmarks, and I haven't lost any bookmarklets. :)
Though this part really bothers me.... My viewport has no scrollbar!!!. My mouse wheel still works but there is no bar up the right side.
I go into Tools>Options>Advanced and turned off 'auto scroll' w/ my fingers crossed. No good. While is was in there I noticed FireFox comes with "Resize Images larger than viewport" set as default.. But I hate that, why would they want to set it as default?

Nothing is perfect.

liorean
02-12-2004, 12:16 AM
Andrew: You obviously didn't read the release notes. 0.8 has a reworked architecture, so you have to uninstall all extensions and themes you had in 0.7 before you install it. Some things can only be uninstalled from 0.7, not 0.8. Download new themes and extensions to replace those you had when there are Firefox 0.8 versions of them about. (Most are updated. You might have to go to the project homepages instead of the mozdev ones (the Skypilot Classic theme is an example) but otherwise most seems fine.)

mindlessLemming
02-12-2004, 02:03 AM
OK, my bad. Rushing in blindly again :o
I'll re-install from fresh and see if I get my scrollbars back...
also missing: Forward/Back buttons, and they're not in the "Toolbar/Customise" list either!

squirellplaying
02-12-2004, 03:47 AM
I had trouble installing java, but that all straighten away now. I have noticed it is slightly slower loading pages especial on a refrest :-\

Mhtml
02-12-2004, 09:35 AM
Liorean those icons look nothing short of spectacular! Actually browsing the x-icons website is quite inspiring.

On a slightly different note, who uses thunderbird or whatever the email proggy is? Currently I use outlook express because I haven't been really worried about my email as I don't see it as import as my main browser ... Anyways, of those of you who use it, is it any good?

liorean
02-12-2004, 11:40 AM
Thunderbird and Eudora are about the same quality. One is better at some things, the other is better at other things, but they both have nearly the same featuresets. They are the best email programs I have seen, bar none. I'd say Eudora is a bit more polished, but then Thunderbird doesn't fall far behind. The Bat! is also in about the same league at some things, but it falls behind in total.

me'
02-12-2004, 05:12 PM
A note on the icons from the x-icons website: very nice and shiny, but I'm willing to bet they don't scale down well, and that's all too important. We need to be able to recognise Firefox with just 256 pixels.

liorean
02-12-2004, 05:36 PM
You're right. It doesn't scale down to 16^2. It does pretty nice in as small as 32^2, however. But now you should remember that those are Mac icons. OS X for the first uses pretty large icons, and for the second uses the dock for icon representation, and for the third only uses 16^2 icons in panel mode for the Finder, and in the tabs of Safari. The Win version could very well use a less refined icon that scales better to 16^2, and let OS X use the higher resolution image.

whackaxe
02-12-2004, 05:54 PM
the new fire fox icons look quite nice anyays. anyone mange to find the min requirments for firefox?

oracleguy
02-12-2004, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by liorean
Thunderbird and Eudora are about the same quality. One is better at some things, the other is better at other things, but they both have nearly the same featuresets. They are the best email programs I have seen, bar none. I'd say Eudora is a bit more polished, but then Thunderbird doesn't fall far behind. The Bat! is also in about the same league at some things, but it falls behind in total.

I dunno, that fade in email notice thing in Outlook 2003 is pretty cool. ;)

me'
02-12-2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by whackaxe
the new fire fox icons look quite nice anyays. anyone mange to find the min requirments for firefox? Fairly easy to find, actually (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/system-requirements.html).

liorean
02-12-2004, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by oracleguy
I dunno, that fade in email notice thing in Outlook 2003 is pretty cool. ;) Yah, but tb has an email notice that is pretty good, too. And I said of those I've seen...

whackaxe
02-12-2004, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by me'
Fairly easy to find, actually (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/system-requirements.html).

oh yeh.... was looking in the FAQ :P personally i'm just fine ith my mozilla build

liorean
02-12-2004, 11:53 PM
Some of you might find this an interesting read: <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=373037#373037>

oracleguy
02-13-2004, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by liorean
Yah, but tb has an email notice that is pretty good, too. And I said of those I've seen...

I haven't tried tb... Been meaning to check it out though.

Mhtml
02-13-2004, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by liorean
Some of you might find this an interesting read: <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=373037#373037> Pretty interesting, hopefully they'll get it out before that ie update and capture even more of the market!

whackaxe
02-13-2004, 06:25 PM
actually, im quite impressed. last time i downloaded it, it was still called phoenix. more noticable differnce to mozz now

liorean
02-14-2004, 07:35 AM
Just couldn't keep from mentioning this: The firesomething extension, <http://www.cosmicat.com/software/firesomething/>

me'
02-14-2004, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by liorean
Just couldn't keep from mentioning this: The firesomething extension, <http://www.cosmicat.com/software/firesomething/> Great! Currently using Waterpanda.

liorean
02-14-2004, 12:48 PM
Heh. I've used superyak, powergoat, waterfrog, spaceworm and moonunicorn so far.

[edit]Coolest yet, I'm now using Mozilla Spaceoyster!

mindlessLemming
02-16-2004, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by me'
Originally posted by liorean
Just couldn't keep from mentioning this: The firesomething extension, <http://www.cosmicat.com/software/firesomething/>
Great! Currently using Waterpanda.
:D:D:D
Surely this the greatest feature of any program in history! Now once I go back to college tomorrow, there will be 270 computers using a browser called "Better Than IE"...
Mwuuhaahahahaaa...

Nightfire
02-27-2004, 01:07 PM
I just got an extension called web developer, it's so handy :) turns css, java, images, javascript etc, all off, validates the present webpage and loads of other useful stuff, like converting form methods, highlighting block elements, etc :) Well worth getting if you're lazy, everything just a click away

me'
02-27-2004, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Nightfire
I just got an extension called web developer, it's so handy :) turns css, java, images, javascript etc, all off, validates the present webpage and loads of other useful stuff, like converting form methods, highlighting block elements, etc :) Well worth getting if you're lazy, everything just a click away Yeah, I've got that installed too, rarely use it though. It has loads of functions though.



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