Got a friend who wants to make his first website

[gsnedders]

One thing everything you suggest here must be FREE, from host to webpage editor. He knows no web languages (HTML, CSS, PHP etc.) but has Word (which I told him not to use).

[Antoniohawk]

Well the best editor is always notepad, that way you learn everything without any help from some ide. Krycek offers some great hosting at http://www.ithium.com, but it's not free. He does offer free hosting to non-profit organizations, but if your friend is just trying to learn some html, he probably doesn't fit that criteria.

[DsgnrsTLZAdmin]

free servers to host....

http://www.freeservers.com/

[gsnedders]

Originally posted by Antoniohawk
Well the best editor is always notepad, that way you learn everything without any help from some ide. Krycek offers some great hosting at http://www.ithium.com, but it's not free. He does offer free hosting to non-profit organizations, but if your friend is just trying to learn some html, he probably doesn't fit that criteria.

He says that he doesn't want to learn HTML, but isn't OpenOffice (http://openoffice.org), not suppost to create all the extra HTML Word creates

[Eskimo]

Why not just have him draw up the site on notebook paper, scan it, and host the image.

[Antoniohawk]

Eskimo has a point, if he wants to make a webpage he needs to learn some html. Otherwise he might as well just use a template on angelfire or something.

[gsnedders]

Originally posted by Antoniohawk
Eskimo has a point, if he wants to make a webpage he needs to learn some html. Otherwise he might as well just use a template on angelfire or something.


How about this, he uses OpenOffice to design the site and then I show him what parts of the HTML are bad and obslete and make a CSS document, but when showing him the HTML document I tell him what all the parts are so therefore he learns HTML?


And just for infomation this is how I learnt how to make websites, I started off on esmartstart.com using it's templates, but once I learnt a small bit of HTML I looked at the source and relised why it was taking so long to load, I then downloaded Dreamweaver (4 I think) and used that to create a website using tables, but not the complicated tables which are in the esmartstart templates which are just three table sections, one at the top, one on the left and the main one, and in the top and left ones there are images with text on top, my new website, being almost idenical apart from there being no top table cell had exacly the same content but the file sizes were about 500KB smaller, making the site load a lot quicker, but that host had 2000000 pop-ups so I moved to Free Web Page (http://www.freewebpage.org) which only has one banner ad and is much quicker to load. I then stopped development of that site and it is where it was when I finished it, still with the concept site uploaded somewhere, you can vist it at http://gwsearch.freewebpage.org. I then started on a new site, High Speed Trains in the European Union (HSTEU), which was developed in Adobe PageMill and any modifications which don't require the site to be restarted from sratch are made directly by editing the HTML (which I then had a good knowledge of) in BBEDit Lite 6.1 for OS X, then 3 months later I converted the site to CSS, which made it load six seconds faster and now, 3 months after that, you can vist my most complete site ever at hsteu.57host.biz.

[Eskimo]

In order to understand my attitude on the matter, you'd need some knowledge of my philosophy on life: There is two ways of doing things: right, and again.

I too came up the ladder via WYSIWYG editors. I had to do it the wrong way a few times in order understand why and what I was doing inncorectly.

I think you should help your friend do it the right way the first time to save him the trouble of learning some editor he doesn't need.

I'm too lazy to do things again.

[Len Whistler]

If you can use Notepad you can learn HTML and CSS

Start your friend off with a basic HTML file linked to a CSS file and let them change the numbers in the CSS file to see how it affects the HTML file.


Leonard Whistler
http://www.stubby.ca

[Antoniohawk]

you can vist my most complete site ever at hsteu.57host.biz.

Doesn't load anything (Mozilla Firebird 0.7 - Windows)

[gsnedders]

Originally posted by Antoniohawk
Doesn't load anything (Mozilla Firebird 0.7 - Windows)



It was down for a bit