My beef with Coding Forums Members (in this forum)

[cubeddesign]

this forum has a problem with going off topic... it seems that every smart@## webdesigner on this forum seems to know everything.. You people always use a tiny bit of knowlege to gain some sort of intellectual ground on people that come here for help... Because of you ppl... i quit the webdesign business. I tried to keep up.. didnt have time for it. id ask for a review and get $HIT flung in my face... get you noses out of the air... learn some humilty... some of you ppl are more immature than kids i goto highschool with! lets make fun of someone with a table layout1 do we have a life?... who cares if it isnt xhtml and css.. the user isnt going to know the difference... its not like he's designing the page for you... jeese... if a newcomer asks for help it seems like hes being "pushed out" with all of the criticism. how about some encouragment? Also, I would post a thread... and i get some moron telling me.. oh did you read this one, and its a 5 day old thread.. i'm like... NO, I DONT SPEND MY LIFE ON CODING FORUMS.
and you know who you are.
needed to get that off my chest... i think this should be helpful.

[Spookster]

So in response you decide it's okay for you to violate several of our forum rules and use vulgar language? I predict you will not be with us much longer.

[cubeddesign]

ban me then.... oH my spookster.. i really care about the rules... recently i posted a thread about designing for a handheld device... did i get help... no.. i got ppl asking me "why would you design for handheld, your page doesnt even validate blah blah",, so i dont really care. honestly i think this would help the forums.. deleting this thread is either denial or ignorance.. do you want me to say it nicely.. do you have children around?

[Spookster]

No I don't have any children around at the moment but you sure are acting like a child throwing a temper tantrum.

[AudioWebs]

If you have a problem with people here leave.

You wouldn't go to a KKK forum and complain of racism.

People who program usually live in the internet, not in the real world. Here they're safe to boast and be as hilariously clownish as they wish.

There are over 100 forums of this same topic with plenty of members. Go to another one.

Never in the history of forums was their one where people didn't go off topic, act like clowns, have egos, swear, call you names, etc....

This is the nature of forums - to do what you could not get away with in real life because you'd get beat up.

[cubeddesign]

Spookster: then you arguing with a child arent you? What would that make you. I wouldnt call it a tantrum... Can you honestly tell me what i just wrote isnt true? Now your starting to do what my thread stated in the first place.

AudioWebs : So that justifies it?

[AudioWebs]

Are you expecting people to NOT have egos, to NOT swear, to NOT call names, to be nice all the time, to help EVERY question you have?

We are humans dude - what you're asking is fantasy.

You've seen this on T.V. and you're asking people to act like a sitcom!!

This is reality man - people are gonna do these things. Quit complaining.

[cubeddesign]

this post was set off by a thread that made fun of your design(two nested tables) that made me mad... so why dont you quit while your still behind? and dont even say that didnt make you mad, or you expected that.. anyone wanna take it outside(AIM: tpr68) now im gonna get harrased for not using icq...

[AudioWebs]

Yeah people made fun because they are arrogant no-talent (something I won't say).

In real life they're probably two feet shorter than me and 80+ pounds less muscle, IF they even have any muscle.

But that's the way it goes - it's the internet and a 4 and a half foot suburban haxor can pretend he's the meanest person alive. In real life they wouldn't last ten seconds.

I come here to use people for knowledge. But creating a post complaining - well i guess youhavent been to many forums.

Check out all these forums and seem them filled with trolls.

www.recordingwebsite.com
www.homerecording.com
www.physicsforums.com
www.scienceforums.net

they all are like this - forums attract people who are the wimps of the real world.

[cubeddesign]

That doesnt mean ppl still have to stand for it... i think we need to start shutting ppl up...

[AudioWebs]

Stand for it?

So you're saying you have an innate RIGHT to control these other people.

And furthermore that the admin has an innate right to only allow people to post here what you want them to.

This is the problem with Americans. They want all power to be used to their own personal advantage.

[zoobie]

Never in the history of forums was their one where people didn't go off topic, act like clowns, have egos, swear, call you names, etc....forums attract people who are the wimps of the real world...This is the nature of forums - to do what you could not get away with in real life because you'd get beat up.
Ha ha! I'll bet AudioWebs is right...
Anyway, as mentioned before, there are several more professional forums where you can receive help. I post there too...and I think most of us do...especially if we need a quick answer or second opinions.
Try www.tek-tips.com for example...That's a huge one. Another would be the www.experts-exchange.com ...both with funny, knowledgable and nice members.

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P.S. = I guess we're lucky that we only have one problem...:thumbsup:

[Memnoch1207]

Your getting upset at something someone said, who doesn't know you any more personally, than anyone else on this board.
Your bothered by a complete strangers opinion? does what they say really matter enough to get you this upset?
Your getting angry at a complete strangers comments and criticisms...I would hate to see how you would react if someone you actually knew, and whose opinion you actually trusted criticized you.

Lighten up...quit being so sensitive and temperamental about what other people say.


forums attract people who are the wimps of the real world.

I wouldn't go that far :D

[raf]

I must admit i often answer posts with :
- check out this thread
- this thread has all the info and sample code for what you need
- take your pick
- the fastest way to an answer is using the search ...
Why? Not because i expect everyone to read and remember all post, but because all the info is there or because the issue has been fully explorer somewhere else, or because a collection of tutorials i refer to explains everything nicely, or because another side has a collection of classes that meet there needs. Or because i expect people to first use the search function before posting there question.

I also sometimes state that i wouldn't do something like the way they do it. Cause it isn't as flexible, economic, good (there is such thing as good and bad coding), secure or because it ignores standards that everyonse should better follow. But it's up to you to ignore or accept it. Wy would you even bother getting frustrated by other members opinions?
And this place is also about learning to code. So i think it's normal that people point out that your not following the standards you'd better follow to make sure your code can be used in all browsers now and in the future, and will be easy to maintain. Coding (and webdesign in particular) doesn't got such a good name, cause a lott of people/companies deliver badly written and hard to maintain code, that isn't cross-browser and is way overcharged and much to expensive to maintain or alter + isn't userfriendly. You think that the "user isn't going to know the difference" ? No? And does that even matter? The user should get quality material. Just like i expect quality material when i buy a steak (even if i wouldn't taste the difference between a real bio-steak and some regenerated leftovers)

So why shouldn't professional coders be allowed to point out that everyone that is seriously into coding, only delivers validated code ?
Because of you ppl... i quit the webdesign business. I tried to keep up.. didnt have time for it.

Realy? So you dropped school cause it wasn't all fun and play?
But if you don't want to learn writing validated code, you best should quit the business and
- leave it for people that do care and that do want to invest their time into learning there profession and to deliver quality code
- don't frustrate clients by delivering temporarely 'working' code that uses up to much bandwith, costs to much, is difficult to maintain, only looks good on your own machine etc etc
That doesnt mean ppl still have to stand for it... i think we need to start shutting ppl up...I see.

[meow]

I think you misunderstand. cubeddesign doesn't want control, he's protesting about people that do. I think he's basically asking for a little respect for others.

I happen to agree. If people can't or don't want to help, why post at all? It's one thing to try to help with the actual problem and then maybe suggest a better way of doing it and another to ignore the question or belittle what the OP wants to do and just tell him his code or markup sucks without offering any help at all.

When I found this forum in the beginning of the year I immediately fell in love with it because people were friendly and helpful. Please everyone, lets try to keep it that way. The forums where b*tching is the rule are aplenty on the Net. No need to create another one.

Now jump me for being a softie! :)

[WA]

I'm simply going to close this thread for now, as I can discern merits on the arguments on both sides of the fence (yes, even cubeddesign's). It's easy for the pro standards people to inadvertently become "pushy" when they spot a design that doesn't conform to xhtml/css or even xml, and that's when such comments can be construed as rude.

I hope people reading this thread will simply take away the need to be open minded and respectful at all times when giving- and receiving- opinions. Bottom line, no one's completely wrong or right on such a diverse issue such as web design. Be deliberately polite if needed, as without the ability to see your face, what you type is all that people have to go by as far as making out your altitude.

cubedesign, I will ask in the future if you have a problem, either PM me, or if you feel it's necessary to post publicly, voice your opinions in a non confrontational, friendly manner. Any other way (ie: being rude), even if what you have to say is valid, is not appropriate. That is absolutely the most sacred rule around here- you can be absolutely right, but if the way you say it is uncivil, I'm forced to take action. This applies to everyone on CF.